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U.N. climate author withdraws because the repor

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U.N. climate author withdraws because the report has become 'too alarmist'


Environmental | 206810 hits | Mar 31 6:44 am | Posted by: stemmer
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One of the authors of a U.N. draft report on climate change pulled out of the writing team, saying his colleagues were pulling too far to the left and issuing unfounded "alarmist" claims at the expense of real solutions.

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  1. by avatar DrCaleb
    Mon Mar 31, 2014 8:37 pm
    "The drafts became too alarmist,? said Richard Tol, a Dutch professor of economics at Sussex University in England, to Reuters."

    An Economist? Weren't there any Home Economics teachers available?

  2. by avatar sandorski
    Mon Mar 31, 2014 9:00 pm
    "DrCaleb" said
    "The drafts became too alarmist,? said Richard Tol, a Dutch professor of economics at Sussex University in England, to Reuters."

    An Economist? Weren't there any Home Economics teachers available?


    Indeed. He might have a point about farmers adapting, but that presupposes that growing seasons will be stable enough to do so. That's a pretty big assumption.

  3. by avatar N_Fiddledog
    Mon Mar 31, 2014 9:16 pm
    "DrCaleb" said
    "The drafts became too alarmist,? said Richard Tol, a Dutch professor of economics at Sussex University in England, to Reuters."

    An Economist? Weren't there any Home Economics teachers available?


    For the IPCC, you mean?

    I don't know maybe. They had one guy with the IPCC last time whose only study had been one on bicycle helmets. All kinds of NGO goofs were called "The Science".

    It is surprising the IPCC would use Tol after he bashed the Stern report though.

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/6295021.stm

    They were kind of asking for it.

    Hey, you guys do know how the IPCC report works, right? There's different chapters and different people work on them. Tol was a senior author of the report�s chapter on climate change�s economic impacts.

  4. by avatar Zipperfish  Gold Member
    Mon Mar 31, 2014 9:25 pm
    How is old people living longer an economic benefit?

  5. by avatar Freakinoldguy
    Mon Mar 31, 2014 9:53 pm
    "Zipperfish" said
    How is old people living longer an economic benefit?


    How is anyone living longer an economic benefit?

  6. by avatar PluggyRug
    Mon Mar 31, 2014 10:22 pm
    "Zipperfish" said
    How is old people living longer an economic benefit?



    Hey!! I'm an old people so STFU. :D

  7. by avatar Zipperfish  Gold Member
    Mon Mar 31, 2014 11:12 pm
    "PluggyRug" said
    How is old people living longer an economic benefit?



    Hey!! I'm an old people so STFU. :D


    My point exactly. You should be ground up into Soylent Green. You're so old you probably remember when that movie came out. :lol: (joking!)

  8. by avatar ShepherdsDog
    Mon Mar 31, 2014 11:42 pm
    After typing that he grabbed some liniment for his shoulder and elbow

  9. by Thanos
    Tue Apr 01, 2014 12:17 am
    Ooh! Put some Lister's Carbolic Unguent on a wad of cotton, and stick it in his ear! That'll stop them shakes.

    No, no. What he needs is a balsam specific.

    Balsam specific?! Oof! While we're burning money, why don't we give him a curative galvanic belt too.

    Don't forget to give him Smeckler's Powder.

    Don't make fun!

    :mrgreen:

  10. by avatar Jabberwalker
    Tue Apr 01, 2014 12:39 am
    You should be ground up into Soylent Green. You're so old you probably remember when that movie came out. :lol: (joking!)

    You're so young, you're going to see it in the supermarket.

  11. by avatar PluggyRug
    Tue Apr 01, 2014 1:34 am
    "Zipperfish" said
    How is old people living longer an economic benefit?



    Hey!! I'm an old people so STFU. :D


    My point exactly. You should be ground up into Soylent Green. You're so old you probably remember when that movie came out. :lol: (joking!)

    I was already old when that movie came out. :D

  12. by avatar PublicAnimalNo9
    Tue Apr 01, 2014 4:42 am
    "DrCaleb" said
    "The drafts became too alarmist,? said Richard Tol, a Dutch professor of economics at Sussex University in England, to Reuters."

    An Economist? Weren't there any Home Economics teachers available?
    Oh man, they should'a got Suzuki. His knowledge of fruit fly genetics would have been invaluable.

  13. by avatar Xort
    Tue Apr 01, 2014 11:51 am
    "DrCaleb" said
    "The drafts became too alarmist,? said Richard Tol, a Dutch professor of economics at Sussex University in England, to Reuters."

    An Economist? Weren't there any Home Economics teachers available?

    How about Dr. Lindzen?

    http://www.canada.com/nationalpost/stor ... 5af353&k=0

    Most scientists who are labelled as "deniers" for their views on global warming don't embrace this role. They cringe at the thought of disagreeing with colleagues who think that the science is settled, they do their best to avoid making waves, and they fear being marginalized as cranks who disagree with the scientific consensus. Dr. Richard Lindzen is an exception.

    Dr. Lindzen is one of the original deniers -- among the first to criticize the scientific bureaucracy, and scientists themselves, for claims about global warming that he views as unfounded and alarmist. While he does not welcome the role he's acquired, he also does not shrink from it. Dr. Lindzen takes his protests about the abuse of science to the public, to the press, and to government.


    His detractors can't dismiss him as a crank from the fringe, however, much as they might wish. Dr. Lindzen is a critic from within, one of the most distinguished climate scientists in the world: a past professor at the University of Chicago and Harvard, the Alfred P. Sloan professor of meteorology at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology, a member of the National Academy of Sciences, and a lead author in a landmark report from the United Nations' Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, the very organization that established global warming as an issue of paramount importance.

    Dr. Lindzen is proud of his contribution, and that of his colleagues, to the IPCC chapter they worked on. His pride in this work matches his dismay at seeing it misrepresented. "[Almost all reading and coverage of the IPCC is restricted to the highly publicized Summaries for Policymakers which are written by representatives from governments, NGOs and business; the full reports, written by participating scientists, are largely ignored," he told the United States Senate committee on environment and public works in 2001. These unscientific summaries, often written to further political or business agendas, then become the basis of public understanding.

    As an example, Dr. Lindzen provided the committee with the summary that was created for Chapter 7, which he worked on. "Understanding of climate processes and their incorporation in climate models have improved, including water vapour, sea-ice dynamics, and ocean heat transport," the summary stated, creating the impression that the climate models were reliable. The actual report by the scientists indicated just the opposite. Dr. Lindzen testified that the scientists had "found numerous problems with model treatments -- including those of clouds and water vapor."

    When the IPCC was stung by criticism that the summaries were being written with little or no input by the scientists themselves, the IPCC had a subset of the scientists review a subsequent draft summary -- an improvement in the process. Except that the final version, when later released at a Shanghai press conference, had surprising changes to the draft that scientists had seen.

    The version that emerged from Shanghai concludes, "In the light of new evidence and taking into account the remaining uncertainties, most of the observed warming over the last 50 years is likely to have been due to the increase in greenhouse gas concentrations." Yet the draft was rife with qualifiers making it clear the science was very much in doubt because "the accuracy of these estimates continues to be limited by uncertainties in estimates of internal variability, natural and anthropogenic forcing, and the climate response to external forcing."

    The summaries' distortion of the IPCC chapters compounds another distortion that occurred in the very writing of the scientific chapters themselves. Dr. Lindzen's description of the conditions under which the climate scientists worked conjures up a scene worthy of a totalitarian state: "throughout the drafting sessions, IPCC 'coordinators' would go around insisting that criticism of models be toned down, and that 'motherhood' statements be inserted to the effect that models might still be correct despite the cited faults. Refusals were occasionally met with ad hominem attacks. I personally witnessed coauthors forced to assert their 'green' credentials in defense of their statements."

    To better understand the issue of climate change, including the controversies over the IPCC summary documents, the White House asked the National Academy of Sciences, the country's premier scientific organization, to assemble a panel on climate change. The 11 members of the panel, which included Richard Lindzen, concluded that the science is far from settled: "Because there is considerable uncertainty in current understanding of how the climate system varies naturally and reacts to emissions of greenhouse gases and aerosols, current estimates of the magnitude of future warming should be regarded as tentative and subject to future adjustments (either upward or downward)."

    The press's spin on the NAS report? CNN, in language typical of other reportage, stated that it represented "a unanimous decision that global warming is real, is getting worse, and is due to man. There is no wiggle room."

    Despite such obtuseness Lindzen fights on, defending the science at what is undoubtedly a very considerable personal cost. Those who toe the party line are publicly praised and have grants ladled out to them from a funding pot that overflows with US$1.7-billion per year in the U.S. alone. As Lindzen wrote earlier this year in The Wall Street Journal, "there is a more sinister side to this feeding frenzy. Scientists who dissent from the alarmism have seen their grant funds disappear, their work derided, and themselves libeled as industry stooges, scientific hacks or worse. Consequently, lies about climate change gain credence even when they fly in the face of the science that supposedly is their basis."

    CV OF A DENIER:

    Richard Lindzen received his PhD in applied mathematics in 1964 from Harvard University. A professor of meteorology in the Department of Earth, Atmospheric and Planetary Sciences at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology, he is a member of the National Academy of Sciences, a fellow of the American Association for the Advancement of Science, and a member of the National Research Council Board on Atmospheric Sciences and Climate. He is also a consultant to the Global Modeling and Simulation Group at NASA's Goddard Space Flight Center, and a Distinguished Visiting Scientist at California Institute of Technology's Jet Propulsion Laboratory. Prof. Lindzen is a recipient of the AMS's Meisinger, and Charney Awards, and AGU's Macelwane Medal. He is author or coauthor of over 200 scholarly papers and books.


    That little point aside, if you are making predictions on what global warming is going to do to people, then you are going to need economists to tell you what will happen when you do different things to the economies of the world.

    But DrCaleb, you knew all that and were just playing dumb, not actually being dumb right?

  14. by avatar Zipperfish  Gold Member
    Tue Apr 01, 2014 5:04 pm
    "Xort" said
    Most scientists who are labelled as "deniers" for their views on global warming don't embrace this role. They cringe at the thought of disagreeing with colleagues who think that the science is settled, they do their best to avoid making waves, and they fear being marginalized as cranks who disagree with the scientific consensus. Dr. Richard Lindzen is an exception.

    Dr. Lindzen is one of the original deniers -- among the first to criticize the scientific bureaucracy, and scientists themselves, for claims about global warming that he views as unfounded and alarmist. While he does not welcome the role he's acquired, he also does not shrink from it. Dr. Lindzen takes his protests about the abuse of science to the public, to the press, and to government.


    He doesn't like alarmists, but he certainly doesn't view climate chnage theory as unfounded. As a matter of fact he's pretty dismissive of people who think that think that the greenhouse effect is a fraud.

    This entire peice is littered with inaccuracies meant to convey a point. Of course, it's an OpEd, you'd expect no less.


    That little point aside, if you are making predictions on what global warming is going to do to people, then you are going to need economists to tell you what will happen when you do different things to the economies of the world.



    What might happen, not what will happen. Economists and climate scientists share a common problem of not adequately communicating the uncertainty of their predictions.



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