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Posted: Thu Jul 31, 2014 7:09 pm
xerxes xerxes: I'm saying that for all the scare mongering about how deadly Hamas could be, they haven't shown any capability of it.
Whereas the IDF could raze Gaza and the West Bank with relative ease in comparison to Hamas' 70 year old rocket technology. Hamas has fired 2600 rockets into Israel: http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/worl ... /13316973/That shows there capability doncha think? And if you say Israel could wipe out Gaza with relative ease but they don't then that shows there capability too.
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Posted: Thu Jul 31, 2014 7:18 pm
N_Fiddledog N_Fiddledog: Thanks Xerxes. That was an interesting article. A lot of it I'd like to hear the side I favor argue, but it's good to know that's what's being said over on your side.
I'm not sure I understand why it's occupation if a country secures the border though. If that's what the left is requiring us to believe now, why wouldn't Egypt be co-occupiers with Israel? Do they not control their border with Gaza, or is their some key difference in the way they do it that makes one nation an occupier and the other not?
I'd like to hear the Condeleeza Rice version on whether or not she sparked the war between Hamas and Fatah. I'm sure "Abbas’ former national security advisor, a Gazan named Mohammed Dahlan" is a fine fellow, but let's investigate the possibility he may have a different opinion than Connie concerning what she was up to.
Same with the guy managing the greenhouses. He has an opinion about why the greenhouse deal failed, and apparently it wasn't his fault. What a shocker. But did I miss something there. Were the greenhouses destroyed or weren't they. It seems to me that might be a key little detail in deciding who is telling the truth on that one.
And yes I'm sure there are many reasons the Gazans voted in Hamas. There are many reasons the Americans voted in Obama for this second term, but ultimately they did it. Apparently polls show if the vote were held again Romney would win by a landslide. Too bad so sad, but if you didn't know what was coming in a second term after seeing the first one I lose whatever craps I have to give.
But again, thanks for the read. Good one. They have secured land and sea border.
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Posted: Thu Jul 31, 2014 7:23 pm
BartSimpson BartSimpson: redhatmamma redhatmamma: Case fire announced Israel ceases ---- Hamas fires !! No big surprise there, is it? Takes effect 0800, 01 aug. Time difference. http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/israel-ham ... -1.2724432srael and Hamas have agreed to a 72-hour ceasefire in the Gaza Strip starting on Friday, U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry and UN Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon said on Thursday. The ceasefire will begin at 8 a.m. local time on Friday, Aug. 1, they said in a joint statement. The statement said "forces on the ground will remain in place" during the truce, implying that Israeli ground forces will not withdraw from Gaza.
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Posted: Thu Jul 31, 2014 7:25 pm
Zipperfish Zipperfish: Just dropping in. Did you guys sort this yet?  Well the boyos in the bus still prefer square wheels. Once that issue is solved, who knows what can happen.
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Posted: Thu Jul 31, 2014 7:27 pm
PluggyRug PluggyRug: xerxes xerxes: I'm saying that for all the scare mongering about how deadly Hamas could be, they haven't shown any capability of it.
Whereas the IDF could raze Gaza and the West Bank with relative ease in comparison to Hamas' 70 year old rocket technology. Just shows how incredibly dumb the Hamas leadership is. Perpetuating stupidity does not always gain a round of applause. Being driven in to a corner can cause people to ose hope. That is rampant in Gaza and the WB. Get to the root of that and you are on the way to a peace settlement.
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Posted: Thu Jul 31, 2014 7:37 pm
Norwegian Doctor in Gaza Returns to Hero’s Welcome in Norway $1: Norwegian doctor Mads Gilbert has arrived in Norway after 15 days at Shifa Hospital in Gaza. The doctor was greeted by a large crowd at Oslo airport.
After more than two weeks in Gaza, Mads Gilbert has arrived in Norway. A large crowd welcomed the doctor at Oslo Airport.
In 15 days Gilbert worked with Palestinian medical personnel to save lives of hundreds of civilians and help the injured during the Israeli offense on Gaza Strip. Gilbert described the situation in Gaza as extreme and brutal.
Talking to Norwegian state television NRK, Gilbert said Shifa hospital in Gaza is crowded. There is an extreme situation.
- We talked to the hospital just before we landed and they have not evacuated the patients. The situation is very serious. People die due to lack of treatment, he said.
Also in 2009 assault, Gilbert worked in Gaza. He described the current situation more bloody.
- Israel is more ruthless now. The bombs systematically hit residential areas. They kill whole families and bomb hospitals. 20 percent of hospital capacity in the Gaza has been destroyed by Israeli military forces. They attack ambulances and patients are killed while they are in hospital. It is much more ruthless, more cynical and more bloody, says Gilbert.
Gilbert also suggested that the situation is not Israel against Hamas. It is the Palestinian people in Gaza on a broad front. Nurses and doctors, there is no one there who want to give up. No matter who they support politically this is an elementary people’s war against an occupying force, said he.
About Mads Gilbert
Mads Fredrik Gilbert is a Norwegian doctor and activist. He received his PhD at the University of Iowa in Iowa City, Iowa. He is a specialist in anesthesiology and a leader of the emergency medicine department of University Hospital of North Norway, and has been adjunct professor (professor II) of emergency medicine at the University of Tromsø since 1995.
Gilbert has broad range international experiences, in particular from locations that merge medical and political issues. He has done volunteer work at a kibbutz. Later he became actively involved with solidarity work concerning Palestinians since the 1970s, he has served as a doctor during numerous periods in the Palestinian territories and Lebanon. His efforts have been central to the efforts that have led the city of Tromsø, since 2001 a twin town of Gaza, to claim to be the city that has sent more health workers to the Palestinian territories than any other in the world.
Following a grenade strike to a Gaza City vegetable market on January 3, Gilbert sent an SMS text to his Norwegian and international contacts, with an appeal for all who read it to pass it on.
“From doctor Mads Gilbert in Gaza: Thanks for your support. They bombed the central vegetable market in Gaza city two hours ago. 80 injured, 20 killed. All came here to Shifa. Hades! We wade in death, blood and amputees. Many children. Pregnant woman. I have never experienced anything this horrible. Now we hear tanks. Tell it, pass it on, shout it. Anything. DO SOMETHING! DO MORE! We’re living in the history books now, all of us!”
Mads Gilbert and Erik Fosse have written a book called Eyes in Gaza, which is an account of their time in Gaza. In 2009 he received the Fritt Ord Honorary Award together with Erik Fosse.
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Posted: Thu Jul 31, 2014 7:47 pm
N_Fiddledog N_Fiddledog: BartSimpson BartSimpson: desertdude desertdude: Posted by JFJFP ( Jew For Justice For Palestine ) on their Facebook page Comparing Jews to Nazis.  JFJFP is a group of lefty, self-loathers from Britain. Basically these are the same sort of guys that would take the other Jews clothes after nudging them along into the showers, then turn up later with pliars and look for gold teeth for the bosses. So now the Kappos at JFJFP feel tough enough to come out and post pictures of who they really are do they? Hoping for pats on the head from the new bosses at Hamas I suppose. You mean to say the typical self hating jew....Oh look more of them, a LOT more. 
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Posted: Thu Jul 31, 2014 8:56 pm
desertdude desertdude: You mean to say the typical self hating jew....Oh look more of them, a LOT more.  You mean the global Jewry isn't a hive mind? Well fuck. I thought they were a collective with absolutely no disagreement or dissent.
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Posted: Thu Jul 31, 2014 9:27 pm
commanderkai commanderkai: desertdude desertdude: You mean to say the typical self hating jew....Oh look more of them, a LOT more.  You mean the global Jewry isn't a hive mind? Well fuck. I thought they were a collective with absolutely no disagreement or dissent. Well yes. But these dissenters sound pretty nasty: N_Fiddledog N_Fiddledog: JFJFP is a group of lefty, self-loathers from Britain. Basically these are the same sort of guys that would take the other Jews clothes after nudging them along into the showers, then turn up later with pliars and look for gold teeth for the bosses. So now the Kappos at JFJFP feel tough enough to come out and post pictures of who they really are do they? Hoping for pats on the head from the new bosses at Hamas I suppose. Hive mind is probably better than allowing those guys into the collective.
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Posted: Thu Jul 31, 2014 9:43 pm
andyt andyt: Well yes. But these dissenters sound pretty nasty: N_Fiddledog N_Fiddledog: JFJFP is a group of lefty, self-loathers from Britain. Basically these are the same sort of guys that would take the other Jews clothes after nudging them along into the showers, then turn up later with pliars and look for gold teeth for the bosses. So now the Kappos at JFJFP feel tough enough to come out and post pictures of who they really are do they? Hoping for pats on the head from the new bosses at Hamas I suppose. Hive mind is probably better than allowing those guys into the collective. If they're doing IDF-Nazi comparisons, then yeah, they have a bit of a fucked up mindset. Because, man, those Israelis are REALLY, REALLY genociding those Palestinians en masse  . If that's not a twisted mindset, then I'm not sure what is.
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Posted: Thu Jul 31, 2014 10:24 pm
MeganC MeganC: xerxes xerxes: I'm saying that for all the scare mongering about how deadly Hamas could be, they haven't shown any capability of it.
Whereas the IDF could raze Gaza and the West Bank with relative ease in comparison to Hamas' 70 year old rocket technology. Hamas has fired 2600 rockets into Israel: http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/worl ... /13316973/That shows there capability doncha think? And if you say Israel could wipe out Gaza with relative ease but they don't then that shows there capability too.  +5
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Posted: Thu Jul 31, 2014 11:51 pm
Goober911 Goober911: They have secured land and sea border. I'm not sure I understand what you're saying here. Are you saying there is not a border between Egypt and Gaza, are you saying Israel administers the Hamas side, or are you saying something else?
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Posted: Fri Aug 01, 2014 12:02 am
desertdude desertdude: You mean to say the typical self hating jew....Oh look more of them, a LOT more. The self loathers are usually far left, or at least left. They're not like your orthodox guys. They're uniform is often more something like balding with glasses and sometimes a beard. There's also a female version. Generally the self loathers look more like this... (Wake up Norman.  )  There are other varieties of nutbar though. Which are the ones in the furry hats? We get those fruitcakes at the Ayatolah's annual we-hate-the-Jews, or Al Quds day, every year in Toronto. They're embarrassing, but what can you do. You know? These guys.  They're kinda funny actually.
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Posted: Fri Aug 01, 2014 6:15 am
So Hamas breaks the Cease-Fire and kidnaps an IDF Soldier, Israel are the bad guys such hypocrisy. 
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