[Brenda]

DVC185 DVC185:

Yes Brenda, the CM could continue after her effective date of release. In fact, we have brought people back after their release from the CF to charge, try and convict.

It was truly great for morale to have the troops see a thud brought back to face the music when they thought they could get away with whatever it was by releasing from the CF.

Here is the relevant section of the Act http://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/acts ... ge-19.html

And to establish my bona fides, as if that matters on the interwebs thingy, I was five weeks shy of 37 years of service and retired as a Chief Warrant Officer.

Thank you!

I was thinking, with my female-non military experience/knowledge, that her lawyers may have advised her CM because that would not be continued after June 23rd, and maybe there wouldn't be a verdict by then. Or sumptin

[ShepherdsDog]

stratos stratos:

$1:

I often had to report for work severely dehydrated and puking my guts out.....just like everyone else on my watch. Everyone carried a garbage bag.

Sounds like every day after our return from deployments. Entire platoon would be at best still drunk. Best because they were not puking or looking like death warmed over. Couldn't march worth a dam but could stand still long enough for morning formation.

One of the worst weeks I ever had was the week after I made AB....got shit faced drunk after being dumped, and then went to work really hungover and was sea sick for the next three days We got into San Diego and I got loaded again.... back out to sea and sick for another three or four days. A bunch of us got reamed out by the XO for fraternization during that cruise.....stupid ass....just because we drank with snotters doesn't mean we wouldn't follow their orders

[Gunnair]

ShepherdsDog ShepherdsDog:

stratos stratos:

$1:

I often had to report for work severely dehydrated and puking my guts out.....just like everyone else on my watch. Everyone carried a garbage bag.

Sounds like every day after our return from deployments. Entire platoon would be at best still drunk. Best because they were not puking or looking like death warmed over. Couldn't march worth a dam but could stand still long enough for morning formation.

One of the worst weeks I ever had was the week after I made AB....got shit faced drunk after being dumped, and then went to work really hungover and was sea sick for the next three days We got into San Diego and I got loaded again.... back out to sea and sick for another three or four days. A bunch of us got reamed out by the XO for fraternization during that cruise.....stupid ass....just because we drank with snotters doesn't mean we wouldn't follow their orders

Yep. When I joined in the 80s there was no such beast as calling in sick. Go to the hospital and get a chit, drag your sorry puking, sniffing, coughing ass not work, spread germs throughout the ship, and maybe they'd send you home.

QR&Os and the CAF Leave Manual both cover the two days a month a CO can hand out for sick leave - the kind typical given for colds and flus so that sailors are not needlessly going to the base hospital to be told, take a sick day, and tw, so that sailors are not needlessly bringing germs not the workplace. That being said, it can be abused, and those that do only do it once before they are the ones that need to to to sick parade, sick there for a few hours, before they get their chit to go home.

Much better than the old way, frankly.

[421_434_226]

Gunnair, I seem to recall that for myself during the mid eighties the general policy was we reported to work and the WO would decide if we were sick enough to go to the MIR. Which usually meant you should be barely conscious and bleeding from the eyes would help.
Late nineties seems it changed to a much better system with the ability to call in, although I seem to remember that in Pet if it was a Fri or Mon the policy was to report to your unit medics for sick parade.

[Freakinoldguy]

Brenda Brenda:

If she was set to leave the military on June 23rd anyway, what would happen if the charges were not dropped? Would the CM continue past that date?

If she had been discharged she would have been brought back to face the charges and surprisingly enough, even a Civilian can be charged by the Military if they fall under their jurisdiction. Just ask some of the depdants from Germany.

[ShepherdsDog]

Wasn't the 90s a time when you could yellow card your NCO at St Jean....after the pricks closed Cornwallis

[Freakinoldguy]

ShepherdsDog ShepherdsDog:

Wasn't the 90s a time when you could yellow card your NCO at St Jean....after the pricks closed Cornwallis

Yup it got like that just before I got out and man I'm glad I retired when I did because if it was that bad in the 90's I can just imagine what it's like now.

Canada's Navy is the only one in the world where an Ordinary Seaman can say something and an Admiral jumps.

[Gunnair]

421_434_226 421_434_226:

Gunnair, I seem to recall that for myself during the mid eighties the general policy was we reported to work and the WO would decide if we were sick enough to go to the MIR. Which usually meant you should be barely conscious and bleeding from the eyes would help.
Late nineties seems it changed to a much better system with the ability to call in, although I seem to remember that in Pet if it was a Fri or Mon the policy was to report to your unit medics for sick parade.

You're probably right. It's been a bit since I was on a heavy. MWV have no medic.

[Freakinoldguy]

Gunnair Gunnair:

421_434_226 421_434_226:

Gunnair, I seem to recall that for myself during the mid eighties the general policy was we reported to work and the WO would decide if we were sick enough to go to the MIR. Which usually meant you should be barely conscious and bleeding from the eyes would help.
Late nineties seems it changed to a much better system with the ability to call in, although I seem to remember that in Pet if it was a Fri or Mon the policy was to report to your unit medics for sick parade.

MWV have no medic.

On some of the Destroyers, Tankers, and other major war ships that I served on the same could be said despite the billet being filled.

Some were great while with others I wouldn't have entrusted an amoeba into their care.

With those you took your chances and hoped you could hang on till you got ashore and had the ability to get to Sickbay. But even that wasn't a guarantee because some doctors were actually worse if that was possible.

[Gunnair]

Freakinoldguy Freakinoldguy:

Gunnair Gunnair:

421_434_226 421_434_226:

Gunnair, I seem to recall that for myself during the mid eighties the general policy was we reported to work and the WO would decide if we were sick enough to go to the MIR. Which usually meant you should be barely conscious and bleeding from the eyes would help.
Late nineties seems it changed to a much better system with the ability to call in, although I seem to remember that in Pet if it was a Fri or Mon the policy was to report to your unit medics for sick parade.

MWV have no medic.

On some of the Destroyers, Tankers, and other major war ships that I served on the same could be said despite the billet being filled.

Some were great while with others I wouldn't have entrusted an amoeba into their care.

With those you took your chances and hoped you could hang on till you got ashore and had the ability to get to Sickbay. But even that wasn't a guarantee because some doctors were actually worse if that was possible.

Yep. Fell down a ladder in San Fran and the doc said take two aspirin and call him in the morning. Mind, he felt bad about it that morning in sick bay when I could barely move.

[Xort]

Gunnair Gunnair:

No, you're wrong, painfull and laughably wrong.

How am I wrong? She was ordered to go to the base medical unit.

You said the CO can grant 2 days sick leave, I said people don't call in sick they report to the base medical unit and get checked out.

What happened in reality? She was told to report in and wasn't granted sick leave over the phone.

$1:

Clearly playing the lower deck lawyer didn't require you reading documentation of QR&Os or unit SOPs. He'll, check out the CAF leave manual as well. All great refs to read if you want to provide accurate commentary. Or, continue to dump Xortpinions into the mix to cause tittering amongst the masses.

Sorry what does any of that have to do with what happened?

Gunnair Gunnair:

Xort is one of those retired corporals that, after five years of dedicated service, has opted to move on. The knowledge of the CAF and its policies reflect his vast experience.

Hey when was the last time you were in combat?

stratos stratos:

Is calling in sick a common thing in the CAF? As far as I know we did not have that in the Army. The closest I can compare it to would be for a person not living on post calling his HQ and saying he/she is not showing up to morning formation because they are headed to sick call. Is this what you all mean by calling in sick or can you just call your CO and say hey i'm sick as a dog I wont be in today?

Yeah if Gunnair isn't full of shit in the last year and a half everyone now just calls in sick twice a mounth, rather than heading into the attached medical unit.

Might be a navy thing I couldn't speak for how the Navy runs their boat.

[Gunnair]

Xort Xort:

Gunnair Gunnair:

No, you're wrong, painfull and laughably wrong.

How am I wrong? She was ordered to go to the base medical unit.

You said the CO can grant 2 days sick leave, I said people don't call in sick they report to the base medical unit and get checked out.

What happened in reality? She was told to report in and wasn't granted sick leave over the phone.

$1:

Clearly playing the lower deck lawyer didn't require you reading documentation of QR&Os or unit SOPs. He'll, check out the CAF leave manual as well. All great refs to read if you want to provide accurate commentary. Or, continue to dump Xortpinions into the mix to cause tittering amongst the masses.

Sorry what does any of that have to do with what happened?

Gunnair Gunnair:

Xort is one of those retired corporals that, after five years of dedicated service, has opted to move on. The knowledge of the CAF and its policies reflect his vast experience.

Hey when was the last time you were in combat?

Apparently combat didn't help you understand basic mil refs.. For the record, no one has taken pot shots at us in a few decades save for the Libyans who can't aim.

Since we're asking. What rank did you quit at and how many years on did you have?

[Xort]

Gunnair Gunnair:

Apparently combat didn't help you understand basic mil refs.. For the record, no one has taken pot shots at us in a few decades save for the Libyans who can't aim.

I guess you missed out on Op APOLLO. Or didn't get to shake down smugglers for drugs during it.

Anyway what does basic military referances have to do with the SOP of going to the base medical unit when you are sick or injuired?

What happened in the thread was more or less, I said wow this lady desided she didn't need to follow the SOP and report to the medical unit when she was ill. You said no a CO can grant 2 days of sick leave without a medical inspection.

Great, that has nothing to do with what happened.

After she called in she was ordered to report to the base medical unit and was charged for taking over two hours to do it.

How does the CO being able to grant non inspection medical leave change this? In anyway?

It does not. It has nothing to do with the case.

All your reply has been is a red herring.

~

Now if you are saying that in the navy it is common for sailors to call in sick and then be granted 1 or 2 days of sick leave without reporting to the medical unit, I will have to agree with you. I couldn't speak for the whole setup of the CAF. But what I can speak to is that no one that I've talked with about this over the weekend has ever heard people calling in sick and getting a day off without a trip to the medics. Not a scientific study by any means, but if you asked me to put forward possible answers I think old navy guy taking the piss on the internet is more likely than an action no one even though would be possible is common.

But again, because it should be said; A CO granting sick days has nothing to do with this sailor not doing what she was told. She was not granted the sick days and was in fact ordered to follow the exact proccess that I said was the standard. This sideline of CO sick days is a red herring on your part, and has nothing to do with what this sailor failed to do.

$1:

Since we're asking. What rank did you quit at and how many years on did you have?

What rank are you or were you, how many years do you have in and what is or was your main unit?

5 years, corporal.

[Gunnair]

Nailed it.

26 years, CPO2, RCN

By the way, you did opt to speak for the whole CAF, hence our discussion.

Xort Xort:

End of the story, in the military you do not call in sick, you report to the medical care unit.

[Xort]

Gunnair Gunnair:

By the way, you did opt to speak for the whole CAF, hence our discussion.

I wonder what would be the result if we conducted a poll of all the units, and COs, (or maybe more accurately all the SMs) to see just what the expected practice is.

I strongly suspect the vast majority is to report in, if they are physically able.

Also thanks for almost answering my questions.