[Benoit]

DerbyX DerbyX:

Aging_Redneck Aging_Redneck:

Brenda Brenda:

I couldn't agree more. And there ARE women like that. And I can only aplaud them. Yet, she shouldn't be forced to keep it(or put it up for adoption), she should have the choice.

for clarity, I'm not a fan of any law that would force a woman to keep a baby.

However, I would like to see more conversation about woman keeping it, without a pro-choicer automatically painting the idea as wrong. a good example is Derby's recent post, he just had to bring up religous zealots that are pro-life. i don't see any religious zealots here. And based on recent confessions, I don't see any pro-lifers, either. So what was the point of his post? I'm concerned that polarized posts like Derby's post will choke off any sort of discussion that might lead to a pro-choicer considering to keep their baby.

Polarized?

How many times do you have to be told that pro-choicers fully support the adoption option and have no problem providing the women with all the information she needs to make a descion for adoption rather then abortion.

What you really want is a program that doesn't just provide the information for adoption but rather pushes for that option and aggressively if beed be. Thats why you think pro-choicers are pushing for abortion rather then providing a secure and informed environment for the women to make a descion.

Your way sounds very similiar to my previous example of thinly disguised "pro-life counselling" designed to scare a women into having the child at all costs.

Since it is a burden for women to give birth to unwanted children, it has to be seen has a service that they render to society and a service paid for by it.

[Wally_Sconce]

Brenda Brenda:

Aging_Redneck Aging_Redneck:

Brenda Brenda:

I couldn't agree more. And there ARE women like that. And I can only aplaud them. Yet, she shouldn't be forced to keep it(or put it up for adoption), she should have the choice.

for clarity, I'm not a fan of any law that would force a woman to keep a baby.

However, I would like to see more conversation about woman keeping it, without a pro-choicer automatically painting the idea as wrong. a good example is Derby's recent post, he just had to bring up religous zealots that are pro-life. i don't see any religious zealots here. And based on recent confessions, I don't see any pro-lifers, either. So what was the point of his post? I'm concerned that polarized posts like Derby's post will choke off any sort of discussion that might lead to a pro-choicer considering to keep their baby.

HOW MANY TIMES do I have to tell you I am one?

no more times for me, Brenda. I heard you.

[Benoit]

The male partners escape too easily of the problematic of abortion.

[ShintoMale]

Benoit Benoit:

Morgentaler deserves a prize but only for showing us what remains to be done for our society to be something else than a mass of individuals obsessed with sex.

the only ones that are oibsessed with sex are the "pro-life" anti-abortion crowd they are the ones that are always worried about the sex lives of people and seek ways to control the gentitals of others

[Benoit]

ShintoMale ShintoMale:

Benoit Benoit:

Morgentaler deserves a prize but only for showing us what remains to be done for our society to be something else than a mass of individuals obsessed with sex.

the only ones that are oibsessed with sex are the "pro-life" anti-abortion crowd they are the ones that are always worried about the sex lives of people and seek ways to control the gentitals of others

There is a reason why humans don't quite yet make love in public.

[Gunnair]

hwacker hwacker:

Dayseed Dayseed:

Murder is the killing of a person. A fetus isn't a person. Ipso ergo, it isn't murder. And piss off if you're going to call a fetus an "unborn child". Two things. Firstly, if you have to preface "child" with "unborn", you're acknowledging its not a child. Secondly, "unborn" is a meaningless word. A typewriter is also "unborn". Call it what it is: a fetus.

You'll sleep easier, plus you won't have to drink as much Hwacky.

So you won't mind me kicking your pregnant wife in the gut, if she aborts I only get charged with assault. Even at 8.5 months.

While you sit behind your keyboard doing karate chops and exercising your kung fu grip there, forum hero, why don't you put your money where your mouth is, find some young couple with a pregnent wife, and see what kicking her in the gut gets you?

Till then, hangdown, continue to thump your 'widdle' chest and play the retard. It is amuzing to a certain degree, and ultimately harmless I s'pose since you are such a thoroughly moronic coward.

Carry on to the back of the bus, jackass.

[hwacker]

Gunnair Gunnair:

hwacker hwacker:

Dayseed Dayseed:

Murder is the killing of a person. A fetus isn't a person. Ipso ergo, it isn't murder. And piss off if you're going to call a fetus an "unborn child". Two things. Firstly, if you have to preface "child" with "unborn", you're acknowledging its not a child. Secondly, "unborn" is a meaningless word. A typewriter is also "unborn". Call it what it is: a fetus.

You'll sleep easier, plus you won't have to drink as much Hwacky.

So you won't mind me kicking your pregnant wife in the gut, if she aborts I only get charged with assault. Even at 8.5 months.

While you sit behind your keyboard doing karate chops and exercising your kung fu grip there, forum hero, why don't you put your money where your mouth is, find some young couple with a pregnent wife, and see what kicking her in the gut gets you?

Till then, hangdown, continue to thump your 'widdle' chest and play the retard. It is amuzing to a certain degree, and ultimately harmless I s'pose since you are such a thoroughly moronic coward.

Carry on to the back of the bus, jackass.

Hey jackass, why don't you post his reply ?

it's fine when it's unwanted but when it's wanted it's a big problem.

After all it's only a fetus right

game, set and match.

he proved my point.

[Yogi]

So why should any one person be given the choice as to whether or not to terminate a life? Are these not the same people who would, should the determination of their fate arise,demand to be judged by a jury of no less than twelve of their peers?

[Brenda]

I am pro-choice, which means pro-choice of euthenasia too... Which is about MY BODY and everything in it too...

Don't mix pro-choice and criminal..

[hwacker]

Brenda Brenda:

I am pro-choice, which means pro-choice of euthenasia too... Which is about MY BODY and everything in it too...

Don't mix pro-choice and criminal..

Ah keep your euthenasia in europe, you guys haven't done enough damage ?

[Brenda]

hwacker hwacker:

Brenda Brenda:

I am pro-choice, which means pro-choice of euthenasia too... Which is about MY BODY and everything in it too...

Don't mix pro-choice and criminal..

Ah keep your euthenasia in europe, you guys haven't done enough damage ?

Why do you always hang my opinion on my native country or even part of the world? I never claimed to speak for all Europeans or all Dutchies. I don't even speak for all women. I speak for me, and I would like you to stick to that.

Your comments are insulting, personal, and make absolutely no sense. On top of that, they are not contributing to the topic what-so-ever.

[hwacker]

Brenda Brenda:

hwacker hwacker:

Brenda Brenda:

I am pro-choice, which means pro-choice of euthenasia too... Which is about MY BODY and everything in it too...

Don't mix pro-choice and criminal..

Ah keep your euthenasia in europe, you guys haven't done enough damage ?

Why do you always hang my opinion on my native country or even part of the world? I never claimed to speak for all Europeans or all Dutchies. I don't even speak for all women. I speak for me, and I would like you to stick to that.

Your comments are insulting, personal, and make absolutely no sense. On top of that, they are not contributing to the topic what-so-ever.

Well euthanasia is practiced in Europe, we don't in Canada.

And you brought it up not me. How is correcting you insulting?

[Brenda]

hwacker hwacker:

Brenda Brenda:

hwacker hwacker:

Ah keep your euthenasia in europe, you guys haven't done enough damage ?

Why do you always hang my opinion on my native country or even part of the world? I never claimed to speak for all Europeans or all Dutchies. I don't even speak for all women. I speak for me, and I would like you to stick to that.

Your comments are insulting, personal, and make absolutely no sense. On top of that, they are not contributing to the topic what-so-ever.

Well euthanasia is practiced in Europe, we don't in Canada.

And you brought it up not me. How is correcting you insulting?

You could have just said: "Bren, my love, Euthenasia is illegal in this country."

That would have been correcting. Now you insulted me, and others. Maybe a little course in manners will do you some good.

[hwacker]

Brenda Brenda:

You could have just said: "Bren, my love, Euthenasia is illegal in this country."

That would have been correcting. Now you insulted me, and others. Maybe a little course in manners will do you some good.

Na, I like my way better

[Gunnair]

hwacker hwacker:

Brenda Brenda:

You could have just said: "Bren, my love, Euthenasia is illegal in this country."

That would have been correcting. Now you insulted me, and others. Maybe a little course in manners will do you some good.

Na, I like my way better

Certainly more in keeping with your wonderful personality, or lack thereof.