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[Strutz]

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

Tricks Tricks:

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

Racism isn't against the rules. Nothing we can do about it.

Racist shit has been edited before.

If it violates the rules on flaming/personal insults, yes. But racism by itself isn't.

It pisses me off too, but there it is.

Racism is why this thread even exists.

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[Thanos]

There's a severe danger that they've over-charged the four cops in Minny. This increases the chance of acquittals, which then increases the chance of more violence and rioting. I'd almost suggest that when these things occur that they be turned over immediately to federal prosecutors who are under far less pressure from the local community to go for charges that will fail in court. Then again, with Trumpworld running the DOJ, the federal prosecutors could succeed on their case and then have their efforts immediately undercut by that pig in the White House issuing out pardons or clemency for the guilty.

Christ, it must be a day-by-day hell in the US, not just for those who end up on the bad side of bad cops and local government indifference, but also for those inside the legal system who work their asses off trying to see that justice gets done. No wonder so many of those dedicated attorneys quit due to burnout and go to the private sector where it's far less stressful and far more rewarding.

[rickc]

Strutz Strutz:

Racism is why this thread even exists.

Was it though? I know that I will take some heat for this, but it needs to be said. George Floyd and the cop knew each other. They both worked at the same nightclub. What if the cop was a dirty cop? All kinds of shady stuff goes down at a nightclub. Drugs, prostitution, etc. What if the cop was on the take to look the other way to these illegal activities? It happens all the time. Clubs love to hire off duty cops. A cop in uniform commands a lot more respect than a bouncer. It looks like their orders have the power of the state behind them, and not just the bouncers biceps. Lots of tough guys are willing to tangle with a bouncer. Far less are willing to risk felony battery on a cop. A cop has his ear to the ground. They would be aware of any warrants or raids that might be in the works. They would have ample time to warn the club.

A dirty cop on the take. George would have known about that as well as everyone working at the club. Maybe George brought that up in his time of detainment. Maybe he threatened to spill the beans. Why is there so much video missing? We do not know what was said. Maybe the cop thought that it was better to kill George than risk facing internal affairs. He did not have a clean record as a cop. Maybe one more strike, and he was out. Dead men tell no tales. Maybe George Floyds death was premeditated, but racism was not the cause? Maybe self preservation or revenge was the motive.

[Strutz]

rickc rickc:

Strutz Strutz:

Racism is why this thread even exists.

Was it though? I know that I will take some heat for this, but it needs to be said. George Floyd and the cop knew each other. They both worked at the same nightclub. What if the cop was a dirty cop? All kinds of shady stuff goes down at a nightclub. Drugs, prostitution, etc. What if the cop was on the take to look the other way to these illegal activities? It happens all the time. Clubs love to hire off duty cops. A cop in uniform commands a lot more respect than a bouncer. It looks like their orders have the power of the state behind them, and not just the bouncers biceps. Lots of tough guys are willing to tangle with a bouncer. Far less are willing to risk felony battery on a cop. A cop has his ear to the ground. They would be aware of any warrants or raids that might be in the works. They would have ample time to warn the club.

A dirty cop on the take. George would have known about that as well as everyone working at the club. Maybe George brought that up in his time of detainment. Maybe he threatened to spill the beans. Why is there so much video missing? We do not know what was said. Maybe the cop thought that it was better to kill George than risk facing internal affairs. He did not have a clean record as a cop. Maybe one more strike, and he was out. Dead men tell no tales. Maybe George Floyds death was premeditated, but racism was not the cause? Maybe self preservation or revenge was the motive.

Interesting thoughts rick.

We may never know if any of that has any bearing on what happened.

Perception can be subjective.

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[Khar]

rickc rickc:

Strutz Strutz:

Racism is why this thread even exists.

Was it though? I know that I will take some heat for this, but it needs to be said. George Floyd and the cop knew each other. They both worked at the same nightclub. What if the cop was a dirty cop? All kinds of shady stuff goes down at a nightclub. Drugs, prostitution, etc. What if the cop was on the take to look the other way to these illegal activities? It happens all the time. Clubs love to hire off duty cops. A cop in uniform commands a lot more respect than a bouncer. It looks like their orders have the power of the state behind them, and not just the bouncers biceps. Lots of tough guys are willing to tangle with a bouncer. Far less are willing to risk felony battery on a cop. A cop has his ear to the ground. They would be aware of any warrants or raids that might be in the works. They would have ample time to warn the club.

A dirty cop on the take. George would have known about that as well as everyone working at the club. Maybe George brought that up in his time of detainment. Maybe he threatened to spill the beans. Why is there so much video missing? We do not know what was said. Maybe the cop thought that it was better to kill George than risk facing internal affairs. He did not have a clean record as a cop. Maybe one more strike, and he was out. Dead men tell no tales. Maybe George Floyds death was premeditated, but racism was not the cause? Maybe self preservation or revenge was the motive.

I would say it was, in my opinion. Remember, even in the case where something like the above happened, this is not the first time a black person has experienced an overreaction leading to a lethal event for what may have been at best a small offense. I can think of a few recent cases that may or may have not made it to CKA since I last looked at this site. The reason there was a reaction to George Floyd's death was not because George Floyd was special, but because he wasn't. This thread exists because this trend is so common and has it's roots traced to differences in how law enforcement engages with minority communities; this is simply another case that has (re-)broken the camel's back. After all, this is not the first year Black Lives Matter has been in our lexicon since 2013 for a reason.

There's also the very real reality that three other police officers stood by and watched, not interfering when they could have very easily identified this incident was on a problematic course that needed redirecting. Following this negligence of their duty, none of these police officers were facing significant legal action. It's worth noting that several of them had a list of prior issues, in terms of either incidents or complaints, but remained active officers with the department. A lack of response from fellow officers or officials to the death of a black person, or indeed many police incidents that involve a fatality, should be a major red flag in terms of holding people accountable; that it so often occurs in cases involving a minority, again, should be concerning. An anemic response from all levels of governance in the past is seen as an ongoing problem; how many police chiefs, mayors, governors, or even federal actors have really offered much up in the way of permanent change, rather than a promise to look into or analyze an issue that has been heavily analyzed already?

I think we also have to consider that this thread and the incidents within it have expanded to include valuable context. Within the first few pages individuals here were already talking about other cases, systemic issues in the system, and problems with race issues across a wide array of areas, not just in terms of police brutality. This is a component of a whole issue which the US (and a lot of other countries) have not made significant or sufficient advancements in within the past few years.

The problem in this case is I think a lot of commentators (this is not directed at you, Rick) are still trying to frame all the protests, all the results, everything that has happened in the past two weeks as just a response to the death of George Floyd. While his death was certainly a catalyst, it is by no means the reason; the reason is heavily based on the difference of experience you get from being a black person and a white person. The white community, including myself, need to better understand, learn, and support the changes needed to stop these systemic problems existing. The reason why people care, and felt a need to response, is due to racial problems. The reason why police officers didn't respond to his death correctly, and authorities failed to drive accountability in this death, has a racial lens and history.

When we have the knowledge, the insights, the reasons, and the roadmap, it's no wonder why people are in the streets demanding action when it might have saved not just George, but many others in the past several decades.

Finally, there is a partially non-racial lens as well; over the past few weeks we've seen (another) example of how over-militarized, under-trained, poorly-led, and over-zealous police forces can be as a whole and how, in many cases, horrible actions by police officers are covered up, excused away, or ignored by fellow officers and leadership, both civic and political. The way the force originally responded to the 75-year old many being pushed over (the twitter response from the police force massively mischaracterized the incident), to other officers ignoring the action, to no one stopping to help a citizen, to no one facing consequences, to other cops en masse trying to protect fellow officers from accountability through mass action, is sadly only one case in dozens that have attracted attention. The count of times police officers have harmed a member of the press, who go out of their way to identify themselves and are easily identifiable besides, has allowed people in the US and around the world to see exactly how problematic police action is. Deaths by officer is a concern that should be shared by everyone; that it remains just another one of those things where black victims make up a higher proportion than they should is also a racial red flag.

I know I made some assertions above, and I know you like sources Rick, so I wanted to share a few just to back up what I'm saying:

Risk of being killed by police use of force in the United States by age, race–ethnicity, and sex: https://www.pnas.org/content/116/34/16793
Deaths Due to Use of Lethal Force by Law Enforcement: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6080222/

Martin15 Martin15:

In Minneapolis

• 1Life CBD, 1610 W Lake St: Door smashed

• 27th Avenue Cafe, 3015 27th Ave S: Heavy property, water damage

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I'm just going to suggest here that the comparison of lives and property is poignant, but not for the reasons I think you are looking for, especially in a thread predominantly on black people in the US.

Around 1,000 people died in both 2018 and 2019 from encounters with police in the US; far higher than any other industralized nation. Insurance can save a business, it can't ressurrect the dead. How many people are injured every year by excessive responses from law enforcement? I wonder which has more lines, the number of press members harmed unreasonably by the officers in this situation, the number of people killed through excessive force by police, or your list of broken windows?

If hundreds of thousands of pissed off Americans marching seeking equality find excessive response from officers across the nation, I'll take limited property damage as a sign of God damn restraint.

I'm glad that the majority of the protests have not just been peaceful, but that many organizers, partners, individual protestors, and supporters have worked hard to make sure to de-escalate issues where required.

[Thanos]

^ rare and precious Khar sighting - welcome back, hoss!

[rickc]

Khar Khar:

rickc rickc:

Strutz Strutz:

Racism is why this thread even exists.

Was it though? I know that I will take some heat for this, but it needs to be said. George Floyd and the cop knew each other. They both worked at the same nightclub. What if the cop was a dirty cop? All kinds of shady stuff goes down at a nightclub. Drugs, prostitution, etc. What if the cop was on the take to look the other way to these illegal activities? It happens all the time. Clubs love to hire off duty cops. A cop in uniform commands a lot more respect than a bouncer. It looks like their orders have the power of the state behind them, and not just the bouncers biceps. Lots of tough guys are willing to tangle with a bouncer. Far less are willing to risk felony battery on a cop. A cop has his ear to the ground. They would be aware of any warrants or raids that might be in the works. They would have ample time to warn the club.

A dirty cop on the take. George would have known about that as well as everyone working at the club. Maybe George brought that up in his time of detainment. Maybe he threatened to spill the beans. Why is there so much video missing? We do not know what was said. Maybe the cop thought that it was better to kill George than risk facing internal affairs. He did not have a clean record as a cop. Maybe one more strike, and he was out. Dead men tell no tales. Maybe George Floyds death was premeditated, but racism was not the cause? Maybe self preservation or revenge was the motive.

I would say it was, in my opinion. Remember, even in the case where something like the above happened, this is not the first time a black person has experienced an overreaction leading to a lethal event for what may have been at best a small offense. I can think of a few recent cases that may or may have not made it to CKA since I last looked at this site. The reason there was a reaction to George Floyd's death was not because George Floyd was special, but because he wasn't. This thread exists because this trend is so common and has it's roots traced to differences in how law enforcement engages with minority communities; this is simply another case that has (re-)broken the camel's back. After all, this is not the first year Black Lives Matter has been in our lexicon since 2013 for a reason.

There's also the very real reality that three other police officers stood by and watched, not interfering when they could have very easily identified this incident was on a problematic course that needed redirecting. Following this negligence of their duty, none of these police officers were facing significant legal action. It's worth noting that several of them had a list of prior issues, in terms of either incidents or complaints, but remained active officers with the department. A lack of response from fellow officers or officials to the death of a black person, or indeed many police incidents that involve a fatality, should be a major red flag in terms of holding people accountable; that it so often occurs in cases involving a minority, again, should be concerning. An anemic response from all levels of governance in the past is seen as an ongoing problem; how many police chiefs, mayors, governors, or even federal actors have really offered much up in the way of permanent change, rather than a promise to look into or analyze an issue that has been heavily analyzed already?

I think we also have to consider that this thread and the incidents within it have expanded to include valuable context. Within the first few pages individuals here were already talking about other cases, systemic issues in the system, and problems with race issues across a wide array of areas, not just in terms of police brutality. This is a component of a whole issue which the US (and a lot of other countries) have not made significant or sufficient advancements in within the past few years.

The problem in this case is I think a lot of commentators (this is not directed at you, Rick) are still trying to frame all the protests, all the results, everything that has happened in the past two weeks as just a response to the death of George Floyd. While his death was certainly a catalyst, it is by no means the reason; the reason is heavily based on the difference of experience you get from being a black person and a white person. The white community, including myself, need to better understand, learn, and support the changes needed to stop these systemic problems existing. The reason why people care, and felt a need to response, is due to racial problems. The reason why police officers didn't respond to his death correctly, and authorities failed to drive accountability in this death, has a racial lens and history.

When we have the knowledge, the insights, the reasons, and the roadmap, it's no wonder why people are in the streets demanding action when it might have saved not just George, but many others in the past several decades.

Finally, there is a partially non-racial lens as well; over the past few weeks we've seen (another) example of how over-militarized, under-trained, poorly-led, and over-zealous police forces can be as a whole and how, in many cases, horrible actions by police officers are covered up, excused away, or ignored by fellow officers and leadership, both civic and political. The way the force originally responded to the 75-year old many being pushed over (the twitter response from the police force massively mischaracterized the incident), to other officers ignoring the action, to no one stopping to help a citizen, to no one facing consequences, to other cops en masse trying to protect fellow officers from accountability through mass action, is sadly only one case in dozens that have attracted attention. The count of times police officers have harmed a member of the press, who go out of their way to identify themselves and are easily identifiable besides, has allowed people in the US and around the world to see exactly how problematic police action is. Deaths by officer is a concern that should be shared by everyone; that it remains just another one of those things where black victims make up a higher proportion than they should is also a racial red flag.

I know I made some assertions above, and I know you like sources Rick, so I wanted to share a few just to back up what I'm saying:

Risk of being killed by police use of force in the United States by age, race–ethnicity, and sex: https://www.pnas.org/content/116/34/16793
Deaths Due to Use of Lethal Force by Law Enforcement: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6080222/

Martin15 Martin15:

In Minneapolis

• 1Life CBD, 1610 W Lake St: Door smashed

• 27th Avenue Cafe, 3015 27th Ave S: Heavy property, water damage

--- snip ---

I'm just going to suggest here that the comparison of lives and property is poignant, but not for the reasons I think you are looking for, especially in a thread predominantly on black people in the US.

Around 1,000 people died in both 2018 and 2019 from encounters with police in the US; far higher than any other industralized nation. Insurance can save a business, it can't ressurrect the dead. How many people are injured every year by excessive responses from law enforcement? I wonder which has more lines, the number of press members harmed unreasonably by the officers in this situation, the number of people killed through excessive force by police, or your list of broken windows?

If hundreds of thousands of pissed off Americans marching seeking equality find excessive response from officers across the nation, I'll take limited property damage as a sign of God damn restraint.

I'm glad that the majority of the protests have not just been peaceful, but that many organizers, partners, individual protestors, and supporters have worked hard to make sure to de-escalate issues where required.

Wow!!! Where the hell have you been? Great to see you again! I definitely think that blacks are targeted by law enforcement at a much higher rate than other people. No doubt about that. I also think that a lot of cops are just assholes in general. They have a "us against them" mentality. Almost like an occupying army would have. They see every non cop as a threat. There have been several videos lately where cops have been pushing elderly men to the ground. They were all white. This video shows the problem in general that cops stand up for each other. Chicago has what should be a fantastic tool to find out about cops, but they half ass the tool. They render it useless.



I hope that you stick around for a while. You HAVE been missed!!!

[Martin15]

Thanos Thanos:

There's a severe danger that they've over-charged the four cops in Minny. This increases the chance of acquittals,|

Which should be sometime in the fall.
Perfect time for the election.

This is why a complete moron like Ellison is in charge.

Democrats have it all worked out.

[Martin15]

Minneapolis Mayor is BOOED out of a Black Lives Matter protest after refusing to disband the city's police - as Rep. Ilhan Omar calls for the 'rotten' department to be disbanded after George's Floyd's death

Mayor Jacob Frey was booed by Black Lives Matter protesters during a demonstration Saturday in Minneapolis, Minnesota
Protesters became upset after he refused to defund the Minneapolis Police Department amid calls for reform
People chanted 'Go home Jacob, go home!' and 'Shame, shame, shame!'
He later doubled down on his stance in a statement where he said he would not 'abolish the entire police department'
Protests have sparked after the death of George Floyd, an African-American man who died in police custody last Monday
Frey was seen sobbing next to George Floyd's coffin during a memorial service
Rep. Ilhan Omar called for the Minneapolis Police Department to be disbanded







The mayor is the one in the grey and blue shirt, and the black mask.
All the appropriate social distancing happening of course...
oh right, the pandemic is now fake news.





Do the walk of shame, Jacob...

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[DrCaleb]

It's time for an NFL team to sign Colin Kaepernick

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