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PostPosted: Thu Dec 15, 2016 12:51 pm
 


Thanos Thanos:
I refuse to believe any of you until someone with a blog and their own YouTube channel says something first.


https://www.youtube.com/user/ChurchofScientology

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Lemmy Lemmy:
I know what Occam's Razor is. I think you probably do too. But citing the principle as proof of something specific IS the appeal to authority fallacy! Appealing to Zip's as an expert on logic is ALSO appeal to authority. Twice in one argument! You're really failing, bro, failing hard!


I did not cite a principle as a proof.

$1:
But you're right, the weight of evidence changes. In the future, it will. But I don't live in the future. I draw my conclusions on the basis of the best available evidence in the present.


And I'm encouraging you to seek out the information for yourself and see if it makes sense to you. Don't just invest yourself in someone else's assertions about what should be obvious data and reproducable conclusions.


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PostPosted: Thu Dec 15, 2016 12:56 pm
 


As far as consensus goes, there is consensus the climate changes. Of course there is. It should be unanimous.

There's general agreement the 20th century warmed. Almost all scientists I hear from say there's some human influence of climate. That agreement diminishes the more you talk about how much.

By the time you're saying 'OMG horrors are coming, because man is melting the polar ice, there's human caused weather calamity and coastal cities will soon be flooded while the interior turns to desert' there is no consensus. It doesn't exist.

And even if it did, consensus is not science. The history of science is filled with examples of science proceeding in conflict with consensus.


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The insurance companies already planning for it, the military already planning for how it affects their operations, and the oil companies than constantly do work on their own to reduce emissions (as well as signing on without much protest to the Alberta carbon tax) all say otherwise. I'm sure someone will try to claim so but these aren't the kind of organizations that can credibly be accused of "working for Soros".


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Insurance companies aren't just planning for it, they're pushing it, and let's guess why.

Politically influenced entities and others who believe they can benefit from the scare are also pushing it. Who's ever denied that?


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Thanos Thanos:
The insurance companies already planning for it, the military already planning for how it affects their operations, and the oil companies than constantly do work on their own to reduce emissions (as well as signing on without much protest to the Alberta carbon tax) all say otherwise. I'm sure someone will try to claim so but these aren't the kind of organizations that can credibly be accused of "working for Soros".



The answer is relatively easy....just follow the cash.


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SO the military and the oil companies in on it and are profiting from engaging in fear-mongering over C02-induced climate change? How much has Soros paid them to do this? Should we do some self-investigating? Do tell.....


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PostPosted: Thu Dec 15, 2016 1:15 pm
 


“The common enemy of humanity is man.
In searching for a new enemy to unite us, we came up
with the idea that pollution, the threat of global warming,
water shortages, famine and the like would fit the bill. All these
dangers are caused by human intervention, and it is only through
changed attitudes and behaviour that they can be overcome.
The real enemy then, is humanity itself.“


Club of Rome,
premier environmental think-tank,
consultants to the United Nations


“Isn’t the only hope for the planet that the
industrialized civilizations collapse?
Isn’t it our responsiblity to bring that about?”



– Maurice Strong,
founder of the UN Environment Programme (UNEP)


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PostPosted: Thu Dec 15, 2016 1:16 pm
 


Insurance, that's sorta obvious. Military are always looking for more funding. Oil companies will use it as an excuse to raise prices.


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I need to go back to bed now.


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Thanos Thanos:
I need to go back to bed now.



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PostPosted: Thu Dec 15, 2016 2:03 pm
 


I didn't say I was correct but I did say that a simple answer as to when the current long-term trend of warming started is less complicated to attribute to a natural process that started at the end of the last ice age.

Trying to argue that it only started when man caused it to start is considerably more complicated.

Occam's Razor says when you have two explanations the simplest explanation is usually right.


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