[bootlegga]

peck420 peck420:

2Cdo 2Cdo:

Hamas has a habit of mixing with the civilian population. Israel has made it a habit of warning civilians before bombing. Hardly targeting civilians.

I guess the kids on the beach missed the leaflet drop?

Using our enemies tactics to justify our means is about as good as sign as any that our culture has lost the war.

According to the news report I saw last night (CTV I think), that beach was supposedly designated a safe zone by the Israelis.

[redhatmamma]

Less barbaric hmmm Hamas struck their own electric supply with a rocket causing major blackouts in Gaza - really - not only that they attempt to hit a nuclear site.. do they not know what would happen to them if they managed to do that. Ifd it were not for the Iron Dome they would all be done like dinner... I suppose the hatred for Jews transcends all rational thought.

http://www.jpost.com/Operation-Protecti ... aza-362087

[peck420]

redhatmamma redhatmamma:

Less barbaric hmmm Hamas struck their own electric supply with a rocket causing major blackouts in Gaza - really - not only that they attempt to hit a nuclear site.. do they not know what would happen to them if they managed to do that. Ifd it were not for the Iron Dome they would all be done like dinner... I suppose the hatred for Jews transcends all rational thought.

http://www.jpost.com/Operation-Protecti ... aza-362087

Wow...impressive.

Disagree with mindless violence, and you hate the Jews!

How about a tactic that doesn't swell Hamas' ranks? Nope..too hard to think about.

How about a tactic that doesn't even involve violence? Again...way too hard to muster up the thought process for that, isn't it?

Hamas uses Israeli aggression to assist in educating young Palestinians into their fold...catch the key term there...educating...

I am gonna go out on a limb and claim that if Israel had approached this issue with exchange, thought, and education...Hamas would be really short handed right about know...granted, that tactic would have worked with Iran, Cuba...but, spending gobs more in money and blood seems to be far easier thought process to handle.

[BartSimpson]

N_Fiddledog N_Fiddledog:

Hamas Strikes Own Electric Supply With Rocket Causing Major Blackouts In Gaza

[BartSimpson]

peck420 peck420:

I am gonna go out on a limb and claim that if Israel had approached this issue with exchange, thought, and education...Hamas would be really short handed right about know...granted, that tactic would have worked with Iran, Cuba...but, spending gobs more in money and blood seems to be far easier thought process to handle.

Why don't you go make the trip to Gaza and show us all how it's done?

[N_Fiddledog]

Did you read that link I gave you on R/K selection Bart? Do you see the way the Bunny mentality works above. "I just want to hop around and eat and fuck. Fighting would only get in the way. Open your mouth and I'll jump inside. Do you need help to chew?"

[karra]

Time to rout them - no quarter - no Hamas wanker left behind, alive - no trials - search and destroy - kill them all - no prisoners to be exchanged.

Having said that - it may well be prudent to capture one or two - but no more than that - after all, there's no dearth of muslim fools wishing to spend celestial time Helen Thomas.

[BRAH]

karra karra:

Time to rout them - no quarter - no Hamas wanker left behind, alive - no trials - search and destroy - kill them all - no prisoners to be exchanged.

Having said that - it may well be prudent to capture one or two - but no more than that - after all, there's no dearth of muslim fools wishing to spend celestial time Helen Thomas.

[BartSimpson]

MY EYES!!!!!!!!

[BartSimpson]

N_Fiddledog N_Fiddledog:

Did you read that link I gave you on R/K selection Bart? Do you see the way the Bunny mentality works above. "I just want to hop around and eat and fuck. Fighting would only get in the way. Open your mouth and I'll jump inside. Do you need help to chew?"

It was a good article and it really should be posted.

[karra]

peck420 peck420:

redhatmamma redhatmamma:

Why do the people protesting against Israel never talk about the continual rocket attacks against Israeli civilians. If it were not for the Iron Dome there would be more Israeli casualties.

Because, when Israel responds, they don't single out Hamas.

Could also be because they refuse to acknowledge any of their wrong doing in this shit show, but hey...why do I bother...they're on 'our team', so they are above reproach...even if most of their tactics directly go against our own laws...

Well now, I'm curious Peck - if they don't single out Hamas, who do they single out?

I just be you're going to say they don't single out anyone and just engage in indiscriminate bombing and killing and murdering - yeah?

[Goober911]

Here is an interesting perspective on how Israel is using the old Roman concept of divide and conquer.
Anyone with a hint of a smick of a glimmer of sense can see how the present Israeli govt does not want a 2 State solution.

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/07/18/opini ... pan-region

[andyt]

peck420 peck420:

bootlegga bootlegga:

If it was anyone else, I would clarify my POV, but given that you only see what you want to see (proven by your selective quoting and one line trolling), what's the point?

Apparently, it is impossible for some to understand that as soon as innocents start dying, it's bad...you don't need to support a side to have distaste for indiscriminate killing.

When some see the Palestinians as Untermenschen, it's not hard to understand why they don't think it's so bad when Palestinians die.

[Goober911]

BRAH BRAH:

Hamas would never be accused of War Crimes nevermind the fact they've turned down a cease fire, broke the cease fire agreement for humanitarian needs and were caught hidhing weapons in a UN run school in Gaza, such hypocroisy.

You have locked yourself into a mindset.

[desertdude]

Israel deliberately attacks civilians and civilian structures : Human Rights Watch

Some excerpts

$1:

Israeli air attacks in Gaza investigated by Human Rights Watch have been targeting apparent civilian structures and killing civilians in violation of the laws of war. Israel should end unlawful attacks that do not target military objectives and may be intended as collective punishment or broadly to destroy civilian property. Deliberate or reckless attacks violating the laws of war are war crimes, Human Rights Watch said.

“Israel’s rhetoric is all about precision attacks but attacks with no military target and many civilian deaths can hardly be considered precise,” said Sarah Leah Whitson, Middle East director at Human Rights Watch. “Recent documented cases in Gaza sadly fit Israel’s long record of unlawful airstrikes with high civilian casualties.”

Palestinian armed groups also should end indiscriminate rocket attacks launched toward Israeli population centers. Israeli media reported that Palestinian armed groups have launched 1,500 rockets at Israel, wounding five Israeli civilians and destroying property.

Human Rights Watch investigated four Israeli strikes during the July military offensive in Gaza that resulted in civilian casualties and either did not attack a legitimate military target or attacked despite the likelihood of civilian casualties being disproportionate to the military gain. Such attacks committed deliberately or recklessly constitute war crimes under the laws of war applicable to all parties. In these cases, the Israeli military has presented no information to show that it was attacking lawful military objectives or acted to minimize civilian casualties.

On July 11, an Israeli attack on the Fun Time Beach café near the city of Khan Yunis killed nine civilians, including two 15-year-old children, and wounded three, including a 13-year-old boy. An Israeli military spokesman said the attack was “targeting a terrorist” but presented no evidence that any of those at the café, who had gathered to watch a World Cup match, were participating in military operations, or that the killing of one alleged “terrorist” in a crowded café would justify the expected civilian casualties.

In another July 11 attack, an Israeli missile struck a vehicle in the Bureij refugee camp, killing the two municipal workers inside. The men were driving home in a marked municipal vehicle after clearing rubble from a road damaged in an airstrike. Their relatives said that neither man was affiliated with an armed group, and that the driver had followed the same daily routine in the same vehicle every day since July 7. The explosion blew the roof off the vehicle and partly disemboweled a 9-year-old girl and wounded her sister, 8, who were sitting in front of their home nearby. Human Rights Watch found no evidence of a military objective in the vehicle or in the area at the time.

An Israeli airstrike on July 10 on the family home of Mohammed al-Hajj, a tailor, in the densely crowded Khan Yunis refugee camp killed seven civilian family members, including two children, and wounded more than twenty civilians. An eighth fatality, al-Hajj’s 20-year-old son, was a low-ranking member of the Qassam Brigades, the armed wing of Hamas, residents told Human Rights Watch. The Israeli military said the attack was being investigated. Even if the son was the intended target, the nature of the attack appears indiscriminate and would in any case be disproportionate.

“The presence of a single, low-level fighter would hardly justify the appalling obliteration of an entire family,” Whitson said. “Israel would never accept an argument that any Israeli home of an Israel Defense Force member would be a valid military target.”

A fourth Israeli airstrike, on July 9, killed Amal Abed Ghafour, who was 7-months pregnant, and her 1-year-old daughter, and wounded her husband and 3-year-old son. The family lived across the street from an apartment building that was struck with multiple missiles, according to witnesses. Residents of nearby homes said Israeli forces fired a small non-explosive “warning” missile at the apartment building minutes before the main missile strikes. However, the family did not know of the warning or have time to flee. Israeli officials have not said why they targeted the apartment building.

Civilian structures such as residential homes become lawful targets only when they are being used for military purposes. While the laws of war encourage the use of effective advance warnings of attacks to minimize civilian casualties, providing warnings does not make an otherwise unlawful attack lawful.

For warnings to be effective, civilians need adequate time to leave and go to a place of safety before an attack. In several cases Human Rights Watch investigated, Israel gave warnings, but carried out the attack within five minutes or less. Given that Gaza has no bomb shelters, civilians realistically often have no place to flee.

http://www.hrw.org/news/2014/07/15/isra ... -civilians