[Delwin]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

Uh-huh. First, the Palestinians are not actualy Arabs. While they share a religion with the Arabs and they share a common culture (to a point) the Palestinians are the genetic descendants of the Phillistines (who were the ancestors of both the Palestinians and the Carthaginians).

If the Israelis actually wanted to kill Arabs then they could easily start inside of Israel where they already have a million or so Arabs living as full citizens of Israel.

You actually contradict yourself as soon as you make the argument, so there wasn't much need for me to argue the point further. You don't really seem to know if you are coming or going.

[OnTheIce]

Delwin Delwin:

You don't really seem to know if you are coming or going.

[Delwin]

N_Fiddledog N_Fiddledog:

Delwin Delwin:

N_Fiddledog N_Fiddledog:

According to Wikipedia Gideon Levy has been called a propagandist for Hamas. Haaretz has been criticized for being anti-Israel. The people who damned me for using a video of from Memri (which admittedly is also biased, but pro-Israel) cannot be expected to be taken seriously if they say critique for having a pro-Israel bias is fine, but critique cannot be noticed if the media being examined has an anti-Israel, pro Hamas bias. And pro-Hamas is not pro-Israel. Such a suggestion would be ridiculous.

Right called by whom though ? Political adversaries ? Sure. People calling him something isn't evidence of anything. He is born and raised Israeli and served in the IDF, others call him a patriot. What evidence do you have that he is anything but pro-Israel ?

And yes, backing IDF actions using an organization that is founded by an IDF colonel has zero merit. Not sure why you don't see that that is the exact opposite of contesting IDF actions with the opinion of a former IDF soldier. It's really the difference between a strong argument and a weak one in this case.

I don't see why you're having such a problem with this.

Wikipedia is offered as a reference for the idea media with a pro-Israel bias has been criticized. Wikipedia is offered as a reference for the idea media with an anti-Israel bias has been criticized.

I'm willing to accept both. You tell me only the side you favor can be referenced. Can you seriously not see how nuts that sounds?

It's not about credibility in that case it's about relevance, you said people called him pro-hamas, so ? I can call him Santa Claus, it doesn't make it so. I'm sure he's been called much better and much worse, who did the calling? Do you know? is there a reference point? You trying to discredit someone as being pro-hamas, because "someone" called him it, has zero meaning ? You see what I mean.

My saying that he served in the IDF is a fact, that he is an award winning journalist for a major Israeli publication is a fact, that he is born and raised Israeli, is a fact. You just have innuendo.

[BartSimpson]

Delwin Delwin:

Yeah, ad hominem attacks are usually the sign of poor debate skills, and I understand your frustration, your argument is semantic and holds no water.

Okay, the science is in and the debate is over;

[Delwin]

Must be nice coming from a place where you get to call people retards and idiots and somehow in your mind they are the dicks, still no substitute for being able to form a coherent argument though.

[BartSimpson]

Delwin Delwin:

Must be nice coming from a place where you get to call people retards and idiots and somehow in your mind they are the dicks, still no substitute for being able to form a coherent argument though.

I've already substantiated what I'd posted and you didn't bother reading it. You're not informed enough to pass judgment on the here-nor-there of what I'd asserted.

OTOH, your posts in this topic do substantiate your tenuous grasp of English grammar and, in turn, that explains why you can't understand clearly written information when you're confronted by it.

And, to be clear, I am not calling 'people' dicks. I'm just saying that in my opinion you've admirably demonstrated your qualifications in this regard and have therefore and properly earned the title.

[N_Fiddledog]

Wasn't there some dispute earlier concerning where the Egyptians were standing concerning the Hamas attacks, and Israeli counter-attacks?



Disclaimer: Progs, Commies and Jihadis do not like the Israeli translation service Memri.

[N_Fiddledog]

IDF releases video of aborted Gaza strikes to prevent civilian casualties

[BRAH]

N_Fiddledog N_Fiddledog:

Wasn't there some dispute earlier concerning where the Egyptians were standing concerning the Hamas attacks, and Israeli counter-attacks?



Disclaimer: Progs, Commies and Jihadis do not like the Israeli translation service Memri.

They've had enough of Hamas and called out that Fat Fuck for waging Jihad against Israel from the safety and secruity of Qatar and when they offered to sneak him into Gaza like a coward, BURN!

[Goober911]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/dr-josef- ... 84150.html

The current round of hostilities between Hamas and Israel is continuing along familiar lines. First, Hamas starts the round by indiscriminately firing rockets designed to hit civilians. Then, the Israelis start reacting, first slowly, then more intensely, and inevitably Hamas launches the campaign of self-victimization, yelling of foul play, claiming that the Israeli reaction is disproportional, as if there is any universally accepted scale of reaction to barbaric attacks on civilian population, the type of which Hamas is engaged in.

As it all drags itself into the second week, without any end in sight, there are other familiar features from former rounds which come out into the open, almost as an inevitable ritual. One of them is demonstrations by pro-Palestinians in Europe and South America, mostly attended by Muslims, much less so by others. What is SO noticeable in many of these demonstrations is the overt anti-Semitic tone. There is no attempt even to hide it, and while once it was the shout of "down with Zionists" (bad enough...), now it is "burn all the Jews," and a siege on a crowded synagogue in Paris. PR and psychological warfare are always a very integral part of all that, so in Israel, at least, these manifestations of hatred achieve the obvious effect of solidifying and cementing nationalist feelings, not something that the Netanyahu government is sorry about ... If there is a sense of some isolation in Israel, then it is largely mitigated by the obvious anger at the double standards that are so much in display, surely as is being viewed by the vast majority of Israelis.

[BartSimpson]

Goober911 Goober911:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/dr-josef-olmert/reactions-to-the-gaza-isr_b_5584150.html

The current round of hostilities between Hamas and Israel is continuing along familiar lines. First, Hamas starts the round by indiscriminately firing rockets designed to hit civilians. Then, the Israelis start reacting, first slowly, then more intensely, and inevitably Hamas launches the campaign of self-victimization, yelling of foul play, claiming that the Israeli reaction is disproportional, as if there is any universally accepted scale of reaction to barbaric attacks on civilian population, the type of which Hamas is engaged in.

As it all drags itself into the second week, without any end in sight, there are other familiar features from former rounds which come out into the open, almost as an inevitable ritual. One of them is demonstrations by pro-Palestinians in Europe and South America, mostly attended by Muslims, much less so by others. What is SO noticeable in many of these demonstrations is the overt anti-Semitic tone. There is no attempt even to hide it, and while once it was the shout of "down with Zionists" (bad enough...), now it is "burn all the Jews," and a siege on a crowded synagogue in Paris. PR and psychological warfare are always a very integral part of all that, so in Israel, at least, these manifestations of hatred achieve the obvious effect of solidifying and cementing nationalist feelings, not something that the Netanyahu government is sorry about ... If there is a sense of some isolation in Israel, then it is largely mitigated by the obvious anger at the double standards that are so much in display, surely as is being viewed by the vast majority of Israelis.

Wow. Someone speaking truth against the vermin. How refreshing!

[andyt]

Goober911 Goober911:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/dr-josef-olmert/reactions-to-the-gaza-isr_b_5584150.html

The current round of hostilities between Hamas and Israel is continuing along familiar lines. First, Hamas starts the round by indiscriminately firing rockets designed to hit civilians. Then, the Israelis start reacting, first slowly, then more intensely, and inevitably Hamas launches the campaign of self-victimization, yelling of foul play, claiming that the Israeli reaction is disproportional, as if there is any universally accepted scale of reaction to barbaric attacks on civilian population, the type of which Hamas is engaged in.

As it all drags itself into the second week, without any end in sight, there are other familiar features from former rounds which come out into the open, almost as an inevitable ritual. One of them is demonstrations by pro-Palestinians in Europe and South America, mostly attended by Muslims, much less so by others. What is SO noticeable in many of these demonstrations is the overt anti-Semitic tone. There is no attempt even to hide it, and while once it was the shout of "down with Zionists" (bad enough...), now it is "burn all the Jews," and a siege on a crowded synagogue in Paris. PR and psychological warfare are always a very integral part of all that, so in Israel, at least, these manifestations of hatred achieve the obvious effect of solidifying and cementing nationalist feelings, not something that the Netanyahu government is sorry about ... If there is a sense of some isolation in Israel, then it is largely mitigated by the obvious anger at the double standards that are so much in display, surely as is being viewed by the vast majority of Israelis.

My understanding is that in this case Israel started bombing Gaza in retaliation for the killing of the three boys, and that Hamas launched rockets in response to this.

[Freakinoldguy]

The Globe and Mail was saying that the Palestinians are leaving the Northern Part of the Gaza strip in droves despite Hamas ordering them to stay which is a good thing. If they won't listen to their terrorist masters anymore it means they're starting to see the folly of following the assholes who use them as human shields. launch their missiles from fortified positions while the innocent people have to hunker down in the ever favorite stick framed buildings that wouldn't stand up to a strong wind.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/wor ... e19578662/

Now, if a few of these people actually manned up and told Hamas to fuck off while forming a solidified peace movement there'd be hope that at some point the indiscriminate killing and wanton destruction would stop.

It would also appear that Hamas is starting to get desperate and is afraid of losing control.

$1:

The notion that Palestinian militants in Gaza might fire on Palestinian authorities in Ramallah is certainly a new twist to the six-day rocket war being waged between Israel and militant Palestinian groups in Gaza led by Hamas.

But it’s not out of the question. Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas has blasted the Hamas leadership on two occasions this week for what he considers to be its irresponsible rocket attacks on Israel. The attacks, he said Friday night on a Hezbollah-connected television channel, incite Israel to fire on Gaza, killing innocent Palestinian civilians in the process.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/wor ... e19578912/

[desertdude]

andyt andyt:

My understanding is that in this case Israel started bombing Gaza in retaliation for the killing of the three boys, and that Hamas launched rockets in response to this.

Oh stop being factual Andy ! Close to 150 killed and 1200 injured, majority of them civilians including women and children on the Israeli side 2 injured, the numbers speak for themselves.

Meanwhile Israelis enjoying the murder of Palestinians in Gaza, while being bombed by the IDF

Israelis watch Gaza bombing form a hilltop near Sderot taken by Danish journalist Allen Sorensen on July 9



Israelis gathered on a hilltop outside the town of Sderot on Monday to watch the bombardment of Gaza. Lefteris Pitarakis/Associated Press

[andyt]

Yes. And it's been pointed out that if Hamas disappears, the void will likely be IS coming into the picture. All this of course suits Yahoo just fine, since his popularity only rises when Israel is under attack and the situation unstable. Which is why the Palestinians are their own worst worst enemy. If they practiced non-violent civil disobedience, it would strengthen the moderates in Israel, and a peace might just be possible. Right now, unfortunately, both sides are being wagged by extremist tails.