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 Posted: Sun Mar 15, 2009 2:02 pm
My last Toyota had a Yamaha engine it,capable of enough horses to kill any vette if you got the supercharger option,and it wasnt a race car.
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Posted: Sun Mar 15, 2009 2:08 pm
General Motors News
Open letter: GM admits it “disappointed” consumers
A newspaper advertisement put into circulation today by General Motors acknowledges the automaker “disappointed” American consumers and “lost focus” in recent years. “While we’re still the U.S. sales leader, we acknowledge we have disappointed you,” the ad reads. “At times we violated your trust by letting our quality fall below industry standards and our designs became lackluster.” Titled “GM’s Commitment to the American People,” the ad is formatted as an open letter from General Motors to the public. “We have proliferated our brands and dealer network to the point where we lost adequate focus on the core U.S. market,” the ad explains. “We also biased our product mix toward pick-up trucks and SUVs.” The ad goes on to say the financial crisis is blame for much of GM’s immediate problems. “Despite moving quickly to reduce our planned spending by over $20 billion, GM finds itself precariously and frighteningly close to running out of cash.” A failure of GM would put “millions of job at risk,” and potentially deepen the recession, the company argues. A GM spokesman told Reuters the ad was meant as a “pledge directly to the public.” The ad specifically indicates GM wants to begin repaying taxpayers by 2011. Full Text - GM’s Commitment to the American People We deeply appreciate the Congress considering General Motors’ request to borrow up to $18 billion from the United States. We want to be sure the American people know why we need it, what we’ll do with it and how it will make GM viable for the long term. For a century, we have been serving your personal mobility needs, providing American jobs and serving local communities. We have been the U.S. sales leader for 76 consecutive years. Of the 250 million cars and trucks on U.S. roads today, more than 66 million are GM brands — nearly 44 million more than Toyota brands. Our goal is to continue to fulfill your aspirations and exceed your expectations. While we’re still the U.S. sales leader, we acknowledge we have disappointed you. At times we violated your trust by letting our quality fall below industry standards and our designs become lackluster. We have proliferated our brands and dealer network to the point where we lost adequate focus on our core U.S. market. We also biased our product mix toward pick-up trucks and SUVs. And, we made commitments to compensation plans that have proven to be unsustainable in today’s globally competitive industry. We have paid dearly for these decisions, learned from them and are working hard to correct them by restructuring our U.S. business to be viable for the long term. http://www.leftlanenews.com/open-letter ... umers.html
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Wally_Sconce 
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Posted: Sun Mar 15, 2009 2:18 pm
I know how it worked in the coal industry, and Ziggy can confirm this.
In the early 1990s, the some of the mines in BC were facing bankruptsy, and board of directors as well as the employees were calling for a government bailout.
What happened? the bailout never happened, the company went down the drain, and lots of people lost their jobs.
That was 20 years ago, some things have not recovered, yet the mine is up and running again. And, it is stronger and more viable than it would have been if the original players were bailed out by the government.
my point is. In order to have a chance at a strong and competitive industry in the future, it has to take a black eye for the screw ups that it has done.
lessons need to be learned.
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poquas
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Posts: 2245
Posted: Sun Mar 15, 2009 2:31 pm
stemmer stemmer: ……. I'm sure any link I provide you will dismiss... Probably, and with good reason. Whenever you are confronted by any facts, you sidestep the point and immediately reference a completely irrelevant or nonsensical link or example. Your obsession with WW2 and your near overt racist comments completely undermine anything you might say. Anyone referencing the problems with the big three’s current offerings result in you bringing up some completely cock-eyed comparison regarding collectibles or other bullshit attempt to de-rail the topic with nonsense. Focus Stemmer. You’re turning into the forum fool.
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Mustang1
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Posts: 7594
Posted: Sun Mar 15, 2009 2:47 pm
stemmer stemmer: Mustang1 Mustang1: stemmer stemmer:
I have provided proof. One being the taxi industry and other service industries...
Ever listen to the Lemon-Aid guy, Phil Edmonston? He once said if you want to find out is a reliable car just what taxi drivers operate. And he went on to recommend RWD GM & Fords cars...
If you don't believe me then just google Phil Edmonston AND taxis...
What?!?!? NOOOOOOOOOO evidence?!?!? NONE? Big Shockeroo on that one! This is where you admit you got shoveling a big heaping pile of horse crap. Didn't you write, "I can find magazine articles and websites that would say the opposite of this.."? And said "magazine articles" are where? And would Phil say that Domestics have been superior to Honda and Toyota over the last 10 years in terms of reliability, dependability and quality? Bull again. What a joke. And didn't i respond with, "Give me a list of reputable automobile magazines that have specifically noted that Domestics have had SUPERIOR reliability, dependability, quality and depreciation over the last 15 years. You made the claim, you back it up. And while you're defusing that bomb, why not tell us how so many (like JD Powers and Consumer Reports) erred."? You're done. $1: As far as being xenophobic...you are the on saying North Americans can not design or build a car as good as Europeans or Asians... You are the one saying North Americans are inferior... So if you claim I'm xenophobic then I call you for what you are... a bigot and unpatriotic twerp.... Thanks xenophobe for unleashing those "hammer and nail" smarts again. You got caught in a lie and instead of admitting you made it up or actually challenging my sources, you acted like a little whiny bitch. I guess us "twerps" have little time for uneducated morons like you. Go talk to your cats grandpa and reminisce about the good ole' days when you could clamor for residential schools, throw insults at homosexuals and blame them "foreigners" for wreckin' the good stuff for everyone else. You're done. Again. I gave you the proof, Lemon Aid. Just google Phil Edmonston AND taxi or Lemon Aid AND Toyota engine sludge or Lemon Aid AND Toyoto quality...Find the link yourself as I'm sure any link I provide you will dismiss... DODGE!!! Where are the "magazine articles" you claim you had? Where is the evidence that suggests that JD Power and CR are indeed incorrect? Where does Lemon Aid - your own "source" - state that "that Domestics have been superior to Honda and Toyota over the last 10 years in terms of reliability, dependability and quality". You're full of it, a liar and a xenophobe. You got caught making up crap to fuel your junk opinions. Take a break.
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Posts: 3915
Posted: Sun Mar 15, 2009 3:18 pm
** Yawn ** now it's name calling eh... Google them yourself... Or do you not know how to use google...???
I've provided you a link on investigations of Toyota using slave labour from prison camps in Burma and China which you've dismissed...
I've told you what the Lemon Aid guy said about taxis... Now google and you will find it...
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Posted: Sun Mar 15, 2009 3:40 pm
When in Nunavut the Ford's couldnt even get off the barge without half the trim falling off,then the turbo's would go after about 3 days idling in the cold,driving in anything colder then -40 meant unless you had a cold air package the aircleaner would freeze solid and the computer would shut the truck right down and unless you had another truck with you freezing to death was going to happen. We should have had Toyota landcruisers,they do now. 
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Mustang1
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Posts: 7594
Posted: Sun Mar 15, 2009 3:45 pm
stemmer stemmer: ** Yawn ** now it's name calling eh... Google them yourself... Or do you not know how to use google...???
I've provided you a link on investigations of Toyota using slave labour from prison camps in Burma and China which you've dismissed...
I've told you what the Lemon Aid guy said about taxis... Now google and you will find it... **Yawn** dodging, hypocrisy, bullsh*ting, ignorance, xenophobia...you got your ass handed to you, go cry somewhere else. You got caught making up crap...you're not the first nor will you be the last but man the frick up, admit it and shuffle on, but it's clear that you don't squat about what your prattle on about. Take a hike. Oh...and your Lemon Aid lies don't fool anyone - there's no way any reputable automobile writer would conclude that domestics have been superior to Honda and Toyota in terms of quality, reliability, depreciation or dependability in the last 10 years. You made it up. That's truly pitiful.
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Posts: 11828
Posted: Sun Mar 15, 2009 10:44 pm
Aging_Redneck Aging_Redneck: I know how it worked in the coal industry, and Ziggy can confirm this.
In the early 1990s, the some of the mines in BC were facing bankruptsy, and board of directors as well as the employees were calling for a government bailout.
What happened? the bailout never happened, the company went down the drain, and lots of people lost their jobs.
That was 20 years ago, some things have not recovered, yet the mine is up and running again. And, it is stronger and more viable than it would have been if the original players were bailed out by the government.
my point is. In order to have a chance at a strong and competitive industry in the future, it has to take a black eye for the screw ups that it has done.
lessons need to be learned. Complete with an electrified railbed that might as well been laid on beds of dollar bills instead of gravel, that isn't even our anymore. And employees that may someday earn those 1982 wages again in 2020 dollars. I wouldn't old that as a shining example of anything more that a total FUBAR.
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Mustang1
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Posts: 7594
Posted: Mon Mar 16, 2009 3:41 am
herbie herbie: Aging_Redneck Aging_Redneck: I know how it worked in the coal industry, and Ziggy can confirm this.
In the early 1990s, the some of the mines in BC were facing bankruptsy, and board of directors as well as the employees were calling for a government bailout.
What happened? the bailout never happened, the company went down the drain, and lots of people lost their jobs.
That was 20 years ago, some things have not recovered, yet the mine is up and running again. And, it is stronger and more viable than it would have been if the original players were bailed out by the government.
my point is. In order to have a chance at a strong and competitive industry in the future, it has to take a black eye for the screw ups that it has done.
lessons need to be learned. Complete with an electrified railbed that might as well been laid on beds of dollar bills instead of gravel, that isn't even our anymore. And employees that may someday earn those 1982 wages again in 2020 dollars. I wouldn't old that as a shining example of anything more that a total FUBAR. What?!? Another dodge from the domestic apologist crew? Figures. Still waiting on, "Prove me wrong then. Instead of merely chirping from the sidelines YOU provide the industry proof that American cars have been better quality over the last 15 years than then their Japanese counterparts. Start with the Accord and Civic." Waiting...
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Posts: 15102
Posted: Mon Mar 16, 2009 4:02 am
herbie herbie: Complete with an electrified railbed that might as well been laid on beds of dollar bills instead of gravel, that isn't even our anymore. And employees that may someday earn those 1982 wages again in 2020 dollars.
I wouldn't old that as a shining example of anything more that a total FUBAR. ![[huh]](./images/smilies/icon_scratch.gif "huh?")
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Posted: Mon Mar 16, 2009 5:39 am
JD Power Ranks Customer Service: Lexus on Top http://www.gearlog.com/2009/02/jd_power ... servic.phpEven Chevy & Ford are ranked higher then Toyota..... $1: JD Power CSI Past 5 Years (2009-2005)
2009 CSI rank, automaker, score, then 2008-2007-2006-2005 rank & score
1. Lexus, 835 of 1000 points. 2008: 4th place, 915 points. 2007: 3T, 913. 2006: 1, 912. 2005: 4, 904
2. Jaguar, 810. 2008: 1, 923. 2007: 1, 925. 2006: 4, 908. 2005: 6, 900
3. BMW, 808. 2008: 9, 901. 2007: 14, 893. 2006: 16, 884. 2005: 17T, 875
4. Cadillac, 806. 2008: 2, 922. 2007: 3T, 913. 2006: 3, 909. 2005: 2, 911
5. Acura, 805. 2008: 7, 904. 2007: 12T, 894. 2006: 12, 889. 2005: 8, 896
6. Hummer, 804. 2008: 16, 892. 2007: 16, 890. 2006: 18, 882. 2005: --, NR
7. Land Rover, 803. 2008: 28, 863. 2007: 33T, 843. 2006: 32T, 840. 2005: 30, 845
8. Buick, 802. 2008: 3, 919. 2007: 2, 918. 2006: 2, 911. 2005: 7, 899
9. Saturn, 800. 2008: 10, 897. 2007: 6, 908. 2006: 7, 904. 2005: 3, 905
10. Lincoln, 798. 2008: 5, 913. 2007: 8, 901. 2006: 5, 906. 2005: 1, 915
11. Porsche, 792. 2008: 26, 873. 2007: 15, 892. 2006: 13T, 887. 2005: 19, 873
12. Audi, 789. 2008: 19, 887. 2007: 12T, 894. 2006: 9T, 890. 2005: 16, 876
13. Mercedes-Benz, 789. 2008: 20, 884. 2007: 22T, 872. 2006: 21, 872. 2005: 15, 878
14. Infiniti, 786. 2008: 8, 903. 2007: 10, 899. 2006: 13T, 887. 2005: 5, 901
15. Saab, 785. 2008: 12, 896. 2007: 20, 883. 2006: 19, 880. 2005: 17T, 875
16. GMC, 781. 2008: 12, 896. 2007: 11, 897. 2006: 20, 879. 2005: 23T, 860
17. Mini, 781. 2008: 17, 890. 2007: 7, 902. 2006: 9T, 890. 2005: 31, 844
18. Pontiac, 779. 2008: 15, 895. 2007: 9, 900. 2006: 8, 903. 2005: 11, 890
19. Chevrolet, 777. 2008: 12, 896. 2007: 18, 888. 2006: 13T, 887. 2005: 14, 882
20. Mercury, 776. 2008: 6, 908. 2007: 5, 912. 2006: 6, 905. 2005: 10, 894
21T. Mitsubishi, 767. 2008: 22, 880. 2007: 22T, 872. 2006: 30, 848. 2005: 32, 841
21T. Volvo, 767. 2008: 18, 888. 2007: 17, 889. 2006: 9T, 890. 2005: 9, 895
23. Hyundai, 763. 2008: 22, 880. 2007: 21, 873. 2006: 22, 869. 2005: 26, 855
24. Honda, 762. 2008: 10, 897. 2007: 19, 887. 2006: 17, 883. 2005: 13, 883
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25. Ford, 757. 2008: 25, 875. 2007: 25T, 868. 2006: 24, 866. 2005: 20, 869
26. Chrysler, 746. 2008: 21, 882. 2007: 25T, 868. 2006: 23, 867. 2005: 21, 868
27. Scion, 739. 2008: 34, 845. 2007: 32, 848. 2006: --, NR. 2005: --, NR
28. Toyota, 736. 2008: 27, 871. 2007: 25T, 868. 2006: 26, 861. 2005: 25, 858
29. Dodge, 734. 2008: 29, 858. 2007: 28, 853. 2006: 25, 862. 2005: 22, 862
30. Subaru, 729. 2008: 24, 878. 2007: 24, 869. 2006: 27, 858. 2005: 23T, 860
31. Jeep, 727. 2008: 29, 858. 2007: 33T, 843. 2006: 28, 851. 2005: 28T, 847
32. Volkswagen, 725. 2008: 36, 842. 2007: 35, 821. 2006: 35, 810. 2005: 34, 820
33. Kia, 724. 2008: 35, 844. 2007: 29T, 851. 2006: 31, 843. 2005: 33, 833
34. Nissan, 723. 2008: 31, 857. 2007: 29T, 851. 2006: 29, 849. 2005: 28T, 847
35. Mazda, 716. 2008: 32, 851. 2007: 31, 849. 2006: 32T, 843. 2005: 27, 848
36. Suzuki, 702. 2008: 33, 846. 2007: 36, 820. 2006: 34, 823. 2005: 35, 819
37. Isuzu, NA. 2008: 37, 782. 2007: 37, 780. 2006: 36, 781. 2005: 36, 810
--. Industry Average, 761. 2008: --, 882. 2007: --, 876. 2006: --, 873. 2005: --,
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Posted: Mon Mar 16, 2009 6:48 am
you have to spend 50 grand on a caddy to compete with the quality of a Corolla  ...how many Mercury's are presently available in Canada? http://image.motortrend.com/f/miscellan ... esults.jpgnotice how low your beloved Chevy, GM and Pontiac's are on the list? all of GMs supposedly "money makers" 
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