[BeaverFever]

1Peg 1Peg:

Curtman Curtman:

If you're looking for hyperbole, it's ever present in the rhetoric that they use to justify the dumb-on-crime policy at a time when crime rates continue to fall.

"Reported crime" is down....

You got some kind of inside scoop on an increase in unreported crime? How does that work? Is that crime that occurred but nobody knows about except you?

[ShepherdsDog]

for years and years spousal and child abuse were 'unreported' crimes.

[BeaverFever]

until when? 1984?

And that's only because the police, the courts and the public didn't take it seriously back then.

[ShepherdsDog]

a lot of it still goes unreported.

[BeaverFever]

...caught in an edit. My point is...if its unreported, how do you know how much of it is ocurring?

[andyt]

1Peg 1Peg:

Curtman Curtman:

If you're looking for hyperbole, it's ever present in the rhetoric that they use to justify the dumb-on-crime policy at a time when crime rates continue to fall.

"Reported crime" is down....

Ah, this canard again. You want to build prisons for unreported crime? Put unreported criminals in them I guess?

[Freakinoldguy]

I guess some lefties will never be happy. They don't want more prisons yet they're screaming about the ones we've got being overcrowded and in disrepair.

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Canada's prisons are overcrowded and aging facilities, where inmates wait years for access to rehabilitation programs, advocates say a day before a major report is released on the issue

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The increase in double bunking inmates in cells is already causing fights and raising tensions, inmates and advocates say.

You'd think they'd be happy that their pet projects are getting better facilities, but no.

Their agenda is clearly something quite different and from previous experience that's likely the abolition of the entire prisons system, to be replaced with rehabilitation by, healing circles, kumbaya singing sessions and group hugs, while the poor, mistreated, societal victims remain free to interact with their evil abusers.

If they're worried about these animals being a threat when they're released then here's a thought................. maybe we shouldn't be releasing them.

edited for spelling

[andyt]

I know. Let's legalize pot instead of further criminalizing it as the Reformacons want to do. That will make room in the prisons to deal with overcrowding, save the money that would go into new prisons and provide a huge tax windfall to the govt, so other taxes could be reduced. How much more fiscally conservative can you get?

[BartSimpson]

BeaverFever BeaverFever:

...caught in an edit. My point is...if its unreported, how do you know how much of it is ocurring?

I recall for a very long time the fairy tale was bandied about as fact that 'Nine out of every ten rapes are unreported' and I always asked how they knew this if they weren't reported?

[Curtman]

ShepherdsDog ShepherdsDog:

and it's not across the board. The prairie provines actually saw an increase in violent crime even though property crimes decreased, and it's the violent criminals that need to be locked away. Property crimes and such should be public service sentences.....unless someone is hurt or killed by their crime, intentional or not.

You're talking about imaginary (unreported) crime here too?

Winnipeg tops violent-crime severity index

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The violent CSI for Winnipeg dropped 13 per cent from 2009 to 2010, the report said. It also dropped eight per cent province-wide.

Tories attacked for prison costs as crime rate plunges

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Statistics Canada said the country's crime rate has plunged to its lowest level since 1973

[fifeboy]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

Private prisons in parts of the US have done fine. Others have failed. That's just the free enterprise system at work sorting out the good from the bad.

So Bart, how does that work. When a private prison fails do they have a liquidation sale. Advertise on afternoon T.V. How much does a floor model prisoner go for?

[BartSimpson]

Crime in the states dropped, too, as repeat offenders started getting incarcerated for longer periods. Amazing how that works, isn't it? If the criminals are in jail then they're not out committing crimes.

[fifeboy]

1Peg 1Peg:

Curtman Curtman:

If you're looking for hyperbole, it's ever present in the rhetoric that they use to justify the dumb-on-crime policy at a time when crime rates continue to fall.

"Reported crime" is down....

Oh my God, here we go again. I live in the Gold Medal City for crime in Canada. Saskatoon. I asked my wife if she feels unsafe our walking on the sidewalk at night. She says no! I don't feel unsafe. I asked my 24 year old son. He said he would not walk in the Caswell Hill area at night wearing gang colours and his hat on backwards but did not feel unsafe in other parts of town.

[sandorski]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

Crime in the states dropped, too, as repeat offenders started getting incarcerated for longer periods. Amazing how that works, isn't it? If the criminals are in jail then they're not out committing crimes.

Negative. They dropped for the same reason they are dropping in Canada, Demographics.

[Zipperfish]

Curtman Curtman:

There already was a pilot project: (from the article)

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Canada's only experiment with a private prison ended badly in 2006 when the Ontario government took back the Central North Correctional Centre in Penetanguishene from Management and Training Corp.

While the private prison saved Ontario money, a study done by PricewaterhouseCoopers found that the province's publicly run ones had better security, better prisoner health care and - perhaps more importantly - reduced repeat offender rates.

Thank you,, I stand corrected.