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PostPosted: Sun Jul 13, 2014 9:59 am
 


desertdude desertdude:
Is there any forensic way to tell if a shot or bullet wound was from a silenced gun or not, just asking since I don't know and there are quite a few gun people here so maybe they have some insight ? Powder burn pattern or something like that ?

I don't think they can get that exact. Match to a weapon is usually all that can be done and even that is hard depending on the state of the recovered round.


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PostPosted: Sun Jul 13, 2014 10:10 am
 


This is from Israeli media.

Two major Palestinian West Bank cities hit by rockets fired from Gaza

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Two major Palestinian cities in the West Bank, Bethlehem and Hebron, were hit on Saturday evening from rockets fired from the Gaza Strip, the IDF said.

One rocket hit Hebron, a city controlled mostly by Hamas, and residents reported seeing a plume of smoke. Two additional rockets have reportedly hit Bethlehem and Gush Etzion.

IDF's Arab-language spokesman, Avihay Adarei, posted a status on Facebook mocking Hamas spokesman Fauzi Barhoum, who said the "resistance" knows where to fire, so Arabs are not hurt.

"A few minutes ago, a pointless rocket fired by the resistance, as it calls itself, fell inside the city of Hebron. What do you think about the Hamas spokesman's comments from yesterday, that the resistance knows the geography and therefore knows how to avoid having rockets hit Arabs?"


http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340 ... 42,00.html



The text below is just anonymous stuff from a video site, and let's be honest, the street doesn't look that busy. Nevertheless until somebody can show how the video above is something else, it is what it is.

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Gaza group film themselves firing missiles from hidden cart on busy street

This Group is the Al-Aqsa Brigade, the military wing of the Palestinian Authority. Here they film themselves firing a salvo of rockets from a hidden cart in the middle of a busy residential street in the Gaza Strip.


http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=8f8_1405252005


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PostPosted: Sun Jul 13, 2014 10:13 am
 


desertdude desertdude:
Is there any forensic way to tell if a shot or bullet wound was from a silenced gun or not, just asking since I don't know and there are quite a few gun people here so maybe they have some insight ? Powder burn pattern or something like that ?

Not much on the Web...

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Four cases of homicide, in which silenced firearms were used, are reported and supplemented by data from experimental investigations regarding wound features, marks, traces, and ballistic behavior. Wound features are largely determined by the construction of the silencer. In one case, even a muzzle imprint was produced by a silenced weapon fired at contact range. In general, silencers are likely to result in a decrease in bullet energy and accelerated energy release in the target (tissue). In terms of wound morphology, silencers produced a reduction in or even a lack of the contact ring (ring of dirt). In close-range and contact wounds, any features indicative of shots fired at close range were missing (such as soot deposit and powder tattooing). It is also worth mentioning that biological matter may get into the silencer in shots fired at contact range.

The rate of seizure of illegally held silenced handguns has risen dramatically in recent years. Despite this, there are apparently no reports of wounds caused by these weapons. The efficiency, in terms of noise reduction, of silenced handguns is largely determined by construction, and homemade weapons are frequently more efficient than their commercially manufactured counterparts. Wounds are likely to be inflicted at either contact or close range. Muzzle imprints are erythematous rather than abraded and disproportionately large for the size of the wound. Close-range wounds frequently exhibit atypical entrances. Examination of wound edges by energy-dispersive analysis of X-rays may demonstrate the presence of unusual elements, sometimes associated with components of the silencer. Also, inspection of recovered bullets with the naked eye may reveal damage indicative of modifications to the barrel or misalignment of the device. With these criteria it should be possible in many cases to support or refute the suggestion that a silenced weapon had been used to inflict a given wound.


http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1955830


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PostPosted: Sun Jul 13, 2014 11:15 am
 


desertdude desertdude:
Is there any forensic way to tell if a shot or bullet wound was from a silenced gun or not, just asking since I don't know and there are quite a few gun people here so maybe they have some insight ? Powder burn pattern or something like that ?
I read this:

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The field of ballistics is able to identify rifling patterns, marks made by using suppressors (silencers), shell casings, powder burn and many other different areas relating to the use of firearms and the evidence they leave behind.

http://www.exploreforensics.co.uk/balli ... earms.html


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PostPosted: Sun Jul 13, 2014 11:18 am
 


N_Fiddledog N_Fiddledog:
it is what it is.

Yep a random unverifiable video with no bearing on anything. i.e. a Fiddledog post.


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PostPosted: Sun Jul 13, 2014 11:31 am
 


Delwin Delwin:
N_Fiddledog N_Fiddledog:
it is what it is.

Yep a random unverifiable video with no bearing on anything. i.e. a Fiddledog post.


Del, Del, Del, will you never learn? I'm going to let that last bit pass this one time.

On the first though, you're not incorrect, however it is also another little piece of possibility in the jigsaw mystery of what's really going on in that conflict.

Hey, I wished I'd kept it, but apparently there are pics going viral in the Progverse of Israelis on a hill in the night enjoying the fireworks display below as Gaza lights up.

And oh, isn't that terrible. Except there's a video of masses of Palestinian Arabs doing the same thing. Are you beginning to see the problem?


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PostPosted: Sun Jul 13, 2014 11:42 am
 


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PostPosted: Sun Jul 13, 2014 11:55 am
 


monty16 monty16:
http://news.yahoo.com/horror-gaza-handicapped-care-facility-bombed-155659912.html

Now the Zionazies are bombing the handicapped care facitilies. Next will be the orphanages. And we can be sure that the Amerinazis will apologize for them again because, well, because they have a right to protect the land they have stolen from the Palestinian people.

I get the impression you are also a Holocaust denier?


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PostPosted: Sun Jul 13, 2014 11:58 am
 


I don't get this one.

http://www.pm.gc.ca/eng/news/2014/07/13 ... lUnderFire

Supposedly it's a statement from Harper on the Israel situation. Is it for real? If so why isn't the mainstream on it yet. It's some pretty hardcore stuff.


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PostPosted: Sun Jul 13, 2014 12:07 pm
 


N_Fiddledog N_Fiddledog:
I don't get this one.

http://www.pm.gc.ca/eng/news/2014/07/13 ... lUnderFire

Supposedly it's a statement from Harper on the Israel situation. Is it for real? If so why isn't the mainstream on it yet. It's some pretty hardcore stuff.

http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2014/07/13 ... 82260.html

http://www.calgaryherald.com/news/natio ... story.html

http://globalnews.ca/news/1444566/israe ... n-shields/


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PostPosted: Sun Jul 13, 2014 12:12 pm
 


Thanks. I searched, but obviously not good enough.

I guess it's OK to post the whole thing then.

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Prime Minister Stephen Harper today issued the following statement in response to the situation in Israel:

“The indiscriminate rocket attacks from Gaza on Israel are terrorist acts, for which there is no justification. It is evident that Hamas is deliberately using human shields to further terror in the region.

“Failure by the international community to condemn these reprehensible actions would encourage these terrorists to continue their appalling actions. Canada calls on its allies and partners to recognize that these terrorist acts are unacceptable and that solidarity with Israel is the best way of stopping the conflict.

“Canada is unequivocally behind Israel. We support its right to defend itself, by itself, against these terror attacks, and urge Hamas to immediately cease their indiscriminate attacks on innocent Israeli civilians.

“Canada reiterates its call for the Palestinian government to disarm Hamas and other Palestinian terrorist groups operating in Gaza, including the Iranian proxy, Palestinian Islamic Jihad.”



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PostPosted: Sun Jul 13, 2014 12:13 pm
 


monty16 monty16:
http://news.yahoo.com/horror-gaza-handicapped-care-facility-bombed-155659912.html

Now the Zionazies are bombing the handicapped care facitilies. Next will be the orphanages. And we can be sure that the Amerinazis will apologize for them again because, well, because they have a right to protect the land they have stolen from the Palestinian people.

Taking a break from the Storefront site? :roll:


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PostPosted: Sun Jul 13, 2014 12:16 pm
 


monty16 monty16:
http://news.yahoo.com/horror-gaza-handicapped-care-facility-bombed-155659912.html

Now the Zionazies are bombing the handicapped care facitilies. Next will be the orphanages. And we can be sure that the Amerinazis will apologize for them again because, well, because they have a right to protect the land they have stolen from the Palestinian people.

Zionazies, Amerinazies and Islamofascists, oh my!


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PostPosted: Sun Jul 13, 2014 12:20 pm
 


N_Fiddledog N_Fiddledog:
I don't get this one.

http://www.pm.gc.ca/eng/news/2014/07/13 ... lUnderFire

Supposedly it's a statement from Harper on the Israel situation. Is it for real? If so why isn't the mainstream on it yet. It's some pretty hardcore stuff.

In related news, Hamas has decided to lay down their arms and surrender.

Hamas issued a one-word response when asked why... "Harper".


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PostPosted: Sun Jul 13, 2014 12:24 pm
 


Well, as I've pointed out before it's almost impossible to know what's actually going on this time in particular. The different media only make it more confusing.

For Example:

Here's the Vancouver Sun...

Israel shows no signs of ending Gaza offensive, even as Palestianian civilian death toll grows

Here's the Times of Israel...

Hamas rejected Egyptian proposal to hold fire

The Sun one is 2 days behind, but still...


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