[andyt]

Touche. You and Jabber quit your little lovefest long enough for you to read other posts?

[Gunnair]

andyt andyt:

Touche. You and Jabber quit your little lovefest long enough for you to read other posts?

Sure did. Jabber is sucking his thumb and tugging his ear in the corner having his PTSD flashbacks of Tillers.

[andyt]

Didn't know you went that way. Hope there was no blood.

[Goober911]

andyt andyt:

Touche. You and Jabber quit your little lovefest long enough for you to read other posts?

AndyT
A couple of questions for you from a so called Surrender Monkey.

What Intel would the President need to proceed.

Why Odessa now?

[andyt]

That I can't tell you. I do wonder why now, tho the action isn't just in Odessa but in Slovyansk and other places in the east. I do know that Odessa was apparently some line in the sand since it is so far west. But if he was willing to surrender the east by inaction, he should have stood down his soldiers and police forces to not get beaten or shot. If you know you're going to give up anyway, might as well do it right away. OTOH, if you know you're going to fight, don't wait until your enemy has taken all sorts of positions from you, unless of course you're trying to draw him out. NOt the case here.

If it turns out that the former inaction was some clever strategy by the pres, I will withdraw my comments. Since he called the people who didn't act traitors, tho, that's not very likely.

[Goober911]

andyt andyt:

That I can't tell you. I do wonder why now, tho the action isn't just in Odessa but in Slovyansk and other places in the east. I do know that Odessa was apparently some line in the sand since it is so far west. But if he was willing to surrender the east by inaction, he should have stood down his soldiers and police forces to not get beaten or shot. If you know you're going to give up anyway, might as well do it right away. OTOH, if you know you're going to fight, don't wait until your enemy has taken all sorts of positions from you, unless of course you're trying to draw him out. NOt the case here.

So you don't know what Intel is critical to the success of a mission.
Would that be correct?

[andyt]

Do you know what intel he recieved that would change his mind? Read the last para I added to my post.

[Goober911]

andyt andyt:

Do you know what intel he recieved that would change his mind? Read the last para I added to my post.

Still not an answer. That is fine. You have no idea of the basic Intel need for a mission to succeed.
In the event you are confused by this question and it appears to be the case, I am only referring to the present situation in Ukraine.
Does that make it easier for you?

[PostFactum]

andyt andyt:

That I can't tell you. I do wonder why now, tho the action isn't just in Odessa but in Slovyansk and other places in the east. I do know that Odessa was apparently some line in the sand since it is so far west. But if he was willing to surrender the east by inaction, he should have stood down his soldiers and police forces to not get beaten or shot. If you know you're going to give up anyway, might as well do it right away. OTOH, if you know you're going to fight, don't wait until your enemy has taken all sorts of positions from you, unless of course you're trying to draw him out. NOt the case here.

If it turns out that the former inaction was some clever strategy by the pres, I will withdraw my comments. Since he called the people who didn't act traitors, tho, that's not very likely.

As a second so called Surrender Monkey, I would like to ask you where Ukraine should get money for army and police learning? Can you tell to me why Russians choose Odesa as city for this kind of riot, and not another city? What simple citizen of Ukraine like me should do?

[andyt]

Really? No insurgency except in Odessa? All quiet in East Ukraine?
Ukraine's army and police are not trained enough to respond? Then just give up now, before more people get hurt.
What you can do is quit making excuses for inaction and support the action that is now happening. Realize that doing nothing was not a solution. Actually Turchynov has talked about conscription, so you may be asked to do a lot more than that. I don't expect you to fight the Russian army, if it comes to that. That would just be suicide. But not taking on the insurgents doesn't prevent a Russian takeover either. There your country could at least try, as it is now doing.

I apologize for surrender monkey. Never liked that term. But when I'm called chickenhawk it doesn't go down well with me either.

[desertdude]

Hey...how come PFs English has all of a sudden over the past few you days gotten better. I can actually understand what he's saying and appears he understands completely what is beng said to him. Previous it was just a hit and miss thing.

PFs are you sure that's you and some comrade hasn't hacked into your account !

[andyt]

desertdude desertdude:

Hey...how come PFs English has all of a sudden over the past few you days gotten better. I can actually understand what he's saying and appears he understands completely what is beng said to him. Previous it was just a hit and miss thing.

PFs are you sure that's you and some comrade hasn't hacked into your account !

I've had some dark musings there too, but that's another discussion and a can of worms that's not worth opening. To be fair, he goes back and forth between very broken English and more fluency.

[PostFactum]

andyt andyt:

Really? No insurgency except in Odessa? All quiet in East Ukraine?
Ukraine's army and police are not trained enough to respond? Then just give up now, before more people get hurt.
What you can do is quit making excuses for inaction and support the action that is now happening. Realize that doing nothing was not a solution. Actually Turchynov has talked about conscription, so you may be asked to do a lot more than that.

I apologize for surrender monkey. Never liked that term. But when I'm called chickenhawk it doesn't go down well with me either.

Mr. "I am very knowledgeable" is not reading questions attentive. I, one of CKA Monkeys am asking you - Lord of Ukrainian military police and army information, expert of war. Why Russians did this shit in Odesa if they could do it in any other city, for example in Sumy or Mykolaiv.

[andyt]

They did it in several cities in the east as well no? That's what we've been arguing about for the last week or what have you.

[martin14]

PostFactum PostFactum:

As a second so called Surrender Monkey,

An English lesson well learned