[raydan]

N_Fiddledog N_Fiddledog:

There is all kind of evidence the attacks on Ford are political and partisan though. First of all they all come from the left. Many if not most lately lack hard support of fact, or substance. Often one notices political hypocrisy such as the hard left Premier of Ontario is now threatening to get involved in investigating Rob Ford based on these unsubstantiated allegations, but meanwhile up the road in London Ontario the Mayor (who shares a party allegiance with the Premier) is being investigated for Fraud. No threat of provincial interference there.

If don't think the Premier would interfere while there's an active investigation going on. In Ford's case, there isn't... but whether he deserves to be investigated or not is another question.

[N_Fiddledog]

It's only a threat at present...

$1:

Premier Kathleen Wynne warned that she is prepared to intervene in the city’s affairs if necessary.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/pol ... e12265807/

but the London Mayor received no such threat, and he's actually been charged with a crime.

Also I read somewhere the Fords have been warned by Wynne representatives not to delete official documents.

[Lemmy]

N_Fiddledog N_Fiddledog:

There is all kind of evidence the attacks on Ford are political and partisan though. First of all they all come from the left. Many if not most lately lack hard support of fact, or substance of complaint (he didn't use the right stationary). Often one notices political hypocrisy such as the hard left Premier of Ontario is now threatening to get involved in investigating Rob Ford based on these unsubstantiated allegations, but meanwhile up the road in London Ontario the Mayor (who shares a party allegiance with the Premier) is being investigated for Fraud. No threat of provincial interference there.

Horseshit. There are no political parties in municipal politics, so there can be no partisanship. There are also no attacks on Ford. He has brought the criticism on himself by his actions. That is not attack. And equating London with Toronto is a false equivalency. When news agencies all over the world start talking about the mayor of London you'll maybe have a point.

[shockedcanadian]

Lemmy Lemmy:

N_Fiddledog N_Fiddledog:

There is all kind of evidence the attacks on Ford are political and partisan though. First of all they all come from the left. Many if not most lately lack hard support of fact, or substance of complaint (he didn't use the right stationary). Often one notices political hypocrisy such as the hard left Premier of Ontario is now threatening to get involved in investigating Rob Ford based on these unsubstantiated allegations, but meanwhile up the road in London Ontario the Mayor (who shares a party allegiance with the Premier) is being investigated for Fraud. No threat of provincial interference there.

Horseshit. There are no political parties in municipal politics, so there can be no partisanship. There are also no attacks on Ford. He has brought the criticism on himself by his actions. That is not attack. And equating London with Toronto is a false equivalency. When news agencies all over the world start talking about the mayor of London you'll maybe have a point.

The news agencies all over the world started talking about this case because they love sensentionalism...it sells. "Hey look, a big red faced mayor of Toronto being accused of smoking crack cocaine based on a video, let's run the story"!

I believe in the rule of law. Call me a nostalgic for the days when the Magna Carta existed in the courts and a man was innocent until proven guilty. If you believe that somehow this massive and unfettering crusade against Ford is anything but political, than I have an eiffel tower to sell to you.

How about this scenario; if there has been damage done to the city of Toronto, might the citizens of Toronto have grounds to launch a class action lawsuit against the media outlets who so loosely made the accusations? Who has caused more harm to Toronto's reputation, a mayor who noone knew existed two months ago, or those in the media who have run with a story about him smoking crack without any evidence being presented?

[jj2424]

N_Fiddledog N_Fiddledog:

It's only a threat at present...

$1:

Premier Kathleen Wynne warned that she is prepared to intervene in the city’s affairs if necessary.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/pol ... e12265807/

but the London Mayor received no such threat, and he's actually been charged with a crime.

Also I read somewhere the Fords have been warned by Wynne representatives not to delete official documents.

That's because he was one of hers..a Liberal.

[N_Fiddledog]

Lemmy Lemmy:

Horseshit. There are no political parties in municipal politics, so there can be no partisanship.

My claim was the London Mayor shared a party allegiance with Ontario Liberal Premier, Kathleen Wynne. That is correct.

London Ontario Mayor Joe Fontana was previously a Liberal member of the Parliament of Canada for the riding of London North Centre.

The rest of your post was just your opinion, and you're welcome to it. Speaking of which, were you the one of the opinion Ford did not have a chance in the next election.

Your Toronto Star does not appear to agree with you.

http://www.thestar.com/news/city_hall/2 ... s_say.html

[martin14]

FieryVulpine FieryVulpine:

Not exactly a packed square but a decent-sized crowd, I suppose.

GTA has 6 million people, and 'several hundred' turn up on a Saturday ?

I'd be hanging my head in shame for a turnout like that.

[jj2424]

martin14 martin14:

FieryVulpine FieryVulpine:

Not exactly a packed square but a decent-sized crowd, I suppose.

GTA has 6 million people, and 'several hundred' turn up on a Saturday ?

I'd be hanging my head in shame for a turnout like that.

Just another faceless Facebook protest.

[Lemmy]

N_Fiddledog N_Fiddledog:

Your Toronto Star

Why do you pinheads always try to make everything into an "Us and Them"?

[martin14]

Lemmy Lemmy:

N_Fiddledog N_Fiddledog:

Your Toronto Star

Why do you pinheads always try to make everything into an "Us and Them"?

Because you pinheads do it just as bad, if not worse.

[OnTheIce]

Lemmy Lemmy:

Horseshit. Anybody can cut taxes. It doesn't take any special skills. You make it sound like only Rob Ford can do it. You conservatives can still elect a conservative mayor without him/her being the douchebag shit-show that is Rob Ford. It does, however speak volumes about conservatives when they have such low standards for their leaders that they'll actually defend the behaviour that Ford has displayed over the past two years.

Speaking of lefty elites....and horseshit....

Anybody can cut taxes, get labour deals, cut office spending and get the Cities financial house in order.

But nobody did. Miller failed. Lastman failed.

Your attacks on Ford aren't due to results, they're based on image and character because that's all you have to attack him on. We expect leaders to do their job. You and the rest of the elites expect your leaders to protray a good image, speak nicely and be all warm and fuzzy. Whether you leave the City in financial ruin doesn't matter....image is everything!

Lemmy Lemmy:

Horseshit. There are no political parties in municipal politics, so there can be no partisanship. There are also no attacks on Ford. He has brought the criticism on himself by his actions.

Wow. Do you actually believe that load of shit you just spewed? No partisanship? No attacks on Ford?

Professor Elite gets a big fat F for understanding anything about what goes on at Toronto City Hall.

[Lemmy]

OnTheIce OnTheIce:

Speaking of lefty elites

Moi? Hardly. I'm a libertarian which puts me well to the right of you conservatives. I call you lefty, Lefty.

OnTheIce OnTheIce:

Your attacks on Ford aren't due to results, they're based on image and character because that's all you have to attack him on. We expect leaders to do their job. You and the rest of the elites expect your leaders to protray a good image, speak nicely and be all warm and fuzzy. Whether you leave the City in financial ruin doesn't matter....image is everything!

Is it too much to ask for both? Can't you find a conservative who will bring the agenda to council that you want but who isn't a douchebag? Part of the job (most of the job) of mayor is to be a figurehead. To be a leader. To represent the public image of the city. To attract the right type of attention that will spur investment and jobs and all the things people want in their communities. Whatever good Ford may have done with the books has been more than overshadowed by the tarnish he's put on the city, worldwide, with his antics. Surely you're intelligent enough to grasp that.

[Zipperfish]

I think what you're missing here, Lemmy, is that OTI likes Ford because he's a douchebag. His popularity is with the right-wing miserable old man community is based on the fact that he so deliciously pisses off left-wingers, and the far right will forgive just about any other shortcoming for that.

[ShepherdsDog]

The far right in Canada would still be considered left leaning democrats in the States

[N_Fiddledog]

Lemmy Lemmy:

N_Fiddledog N_Fiddledog:

Your Toronto Star

Why do you pinheads always try to make everything into an "Us and Them"?

As long as we're name-calling I call the Star your paper, because it's a Prog paper for you Progs. I don't like the things you Progs do. You instigate a conflict, then whine when you get what you want.

For example I don't like the nasty little red, commie, squares of prog-mark, down-twinkles progs leave in the rep records on message boards of people who disagree with them. I just discovered those here recently. I don't like those however they are a handy thing to notice. They tell you there's the smug and sneaky, or as I prefer - Progs - around.

I don't like the way some Progs are trying to call themselves libertarians lately either. They hijacked the Liberal ideology, now they're after ours. I don't like that.